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Mods for 2010, hmm, I want a car with 4WD The amount of time I've been stuck in snow over winter is depressing.

Always fancied a civic myself, and am currently on the lookout for a little runaround (to replace the c2 vts, what to get...)

Tidy looking motor Mike! I had a look at the Audi's when my boy arrived a couple of months back, but couldn't resist the urge of my new daddy wagon T5 mind you, give the little boy racers a run for their money

Basically (the way I see it), A new "world government" will be created to manage the "co2 trading process" We are more polluting than underdeveloped countries, and will trade (or give them money) to use their co2 quota (or part of). Who'll pay for this I wonder? Companies are going to be taxed to the hilt for the emissions they pump out, which will have a knock on effect to our pockets. Do you think these companies may just pop out of the UK and move into some "greener", less wealthy countries? I'm no scientist, but after reading up on the whole shambles that is "Man made global warming", I'm pretty worried about this. If the whole global warming is made up (as it seems to be) then why should we put up with this?

It's all going a bit pear-shaped this week. The BBC are "reporting" the story, albeit in an biased way (as per usual). Newsnight was interesting last night, I wanted to watch it again so popped over to iPlayer later on (only to discover that the version there had been edited!). They really are a bunch of cheeky barstewards, who do they think they are? Do they not realise it's us that pay to keep them going? The original newsnight is on youtube though, worth a look Part 1 and Part 2. Gordon Brown said: "climate-change sceptics are 'flat-earthers' People who doubt that human activity contributes to global warming are “flat-earthers” and “anti-science”. The w***er. Al Gore has pulled out of Copenhagen News is all over the worlds press about the emails, and the shambles that is "Global Warming" Yet still, we are being suppressed by the UK's tv and newspapers Wake up people, pay f**king attention, we are being screwed here. If the Copenhagen treaty is signed, we truly are fecked.

Tomorrow's Daily Express ^ only two weeks behind, but at least it's being talked about now!!

A "little" update, "Professor Phil Jones has today announced that he will stand aside as Director of the Climatic Research Unit until the completion of an independent Review resulting from allegations following the hacking and publication of emails from the Unit." God bless the internet, who needs mainstream media

This is getting ridiculous now, google starting to fiddle the figures for the word "climategate"? What the ****? Up until a few days ago, typing in the word "climategate" in their search, the dropdown (or let me guess what you are looking for) showed climategate as the first word when you typed in "climateg". Now, it doesn't show at all! The cheeky *******s. It seems that Al Gore is a Senior Advisor to Google!! Also, googles results for the word has dropped a few million, wierd Back to our lovely BBC. I sent them an email to complain about their lack of coverage of this whole issue. Email from me to them: Their reply: The day I posted that email to them (and coming days), the stories were of very little importance, for example, "Fishermen say Man Made Global Warming is real because they saw a weird fish" (or words to that extent). I give up, off to book my tickets to a desert island somewhere. Goodbye

John, the BBC have too much to lose, i.e. licence fees (which we pay by the way). But still, the government decide how much they get. Just look at the "global warming" stories that are being covered right now on the beeb. In fact, since last Friday (when the emails were released) the beeb seem to have increased their "You are all killing the polar bears" type stories. Did you know that Polar Bears are on the increase throughout the world? 41. 'Commonwealth Talks Target Climate' - Fri 27th Nov: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8382014.stm.... 40. '£4million Climate Study Launched' - Fri 27th Nov: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/8381744.stm (Um, I thought the 'science' was 'settled'?) 39. 'Castle's Mexican Plant Rare Bloom' - Fri 27th Nov: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/mid/8381229.stm 38. 'Australia Emissions Plan In Chaos' - Fri 27th Nov: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/8382.stm... (About time! Completely Biased though) 37. 'China Cabron Cuts Put Pressure On India' - Fri 27th Nov: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/838212.stm... 36. 'The Netherlands Leads the Battle Against Rising Sea Levels' - Fri 27th Nov: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8362147.stm 35. 'Rich Should Help Amazon Forests, Summit Says' - Fri 27th Nov: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8380915.stm.... 34. 'Past Climate Anamolies Explained' - Thurs 26th Nov: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8381317.stm (Problem solved guys!! AGW back on) 33. 'Amazon Summit to Save Rainforest' - Thurs 26th Nov: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8380915.stm.... 32. 'New Flood Laws Revealed After Record Rainfall' - Thurs 26th Nov: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/south_of_scotl... 31. 'EU Climate Package Explained' - Thurs 26th Nov: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7765094.stm... 30. 'Scottish Offshore Wind Future Set for £30billion Investment' - Thurs 26th Nov: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/8379029.stm 29. 'Who Pays and Who Gains For Carbon Offsetting' - Thurs 26th Nov: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8378592.stm 28. 'Nigeria Set for 'Green Big Brother' Show' - Thurs 26th Nov: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/8364871.stm... 27. 'Obama Climate Summit Visit Hailed' - Thurs 26th Nov: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8379957.stm.... 26. 'Killing Cows for the Climate' - Thurs 26th Nov: http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_838000.stm... 25. 'China Unveils Copenhagen Targets' - Thurs 26th Nov: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/8380106.stm... 24. 'Cows Survive Whitehall Farce' - Wed 25th Nov: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8379759.stm (All in the name of Climate Change!) 23. 'Icebergs Heading to New Zealand' - Wed 25th Nov: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/8379690.stm... 22. 'Climate Policies Improve Health' - Wed 25th Nov: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8377268.stm 21. 'US Pledges Major Emissions Cut' - Wed 25th Nov: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8378890.stm.... 20. 'Climate Cash Controversy' - Wed 25th Nov: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8376874.stm 19. 'Climate Change Help For The Poor Has Not Materialised' - Wed 25th: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8376009.stm 18. 'Liberians Facing Rising Flood Threat' - Wed 25th Nov: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8375301.stm 17. 'Plan to Boost UK Woodland to tackle Climate Change' - Wed 25th Nov: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8377827.stm 16. 'This Year in Top Five Warmest' - Tue 24th Nov: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8377128.stm 15. 'Mozambique Sea Level Rise: A Disaster Waiting to Happen' - Tue 24th Nov: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/8363045.stm... (So good we ran it twice) 14. 'Rising Sea Levels: A Tale of Two Cities' - Tue 24th Nov: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/8366538.stm... 13. 'Teenager Wins Trip to World Climate Change Summit' - Tue 24th Nov: news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/gloucestershire/8374514.stm... 12. 'Australia PM Presses revised Carbon Emissions Scheme' - Tue 24th Nov: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/8375559.stm... 11. 'Copenhagen: What's your Solution?' - Tue 24th Nov: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/8375378.stm... 10. 'Climate is major cause of African conflict' - Tue 24th Nov: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8375949.stm 9. 'US will Announce Climate Targets' - Tue 24th Nov: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8375248.stm 8. 'Global Warming Science Alarming' - Tue 24th Nov: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8375576.stm 7. 'Climate Change: Copenhagen in Graphics' - Tue 24th Nov: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8359629.stm 6. 'State Leaders boost to Copenhagen' - Mon 23rd Nov: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8373551.stm... 5. 'Climate Change: What Price Will Future Generations Pay?' - Mon 23rd Nov: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8374965.stm 4. 'Is Cumbria a victim of Climate Change?' - Mon 23rd Nov: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston... 3. 'East Antarctica Ice Sheet Losing Mass' - Sun 22nd Nov: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8371773.stm 2. 'Fish At Risk In Acidified Oceans' - Sat 21st Nov: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8369453.stm (appeared to have missed this one before TB) 1. 'Fishermen Spot Climate Change' - Fri 20th Nov: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/wales/2009/gre... And on 'Climategate': 'UK's Climate Units Emails Hacked' - Fri 20th Nov: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8370282.stm 'Email Arguments' - Sat 21st Nov: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8371597.stm 'Hacker Leaks Scientists Emails' - Mon 23rd Nov: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/norfolk/8374721... 'Email Impact' -Tue 24th Nov: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8377465.stm Brainwashing nonsense. Angry with the BBC? Feel free to make a complaint!

It's been amazing watching this story unravel, watched it since Friday (the day the files were released). The power of the internet is truly phenomenal. Google results for "climategate" have almost doubled in the last 12 hours to 6.1 million! The hilarious thing though, searching the BBC for the same word shows 0 results Lots of news happening today: 5 Australian MPs resign at disgust over carbon tax US Congress investigates Climategate e-mails Senator Launches "Climategate" Investigation: Warns Participants to Retain Documents There's a hell of a lot more out there, WAKE UP UK MEDIA AND GOVERNMENT!!!

Running out of fossil fuels is not the reason we are paying over £400 in road tax. Our road tax is based on CO2 emissions, which was supposed to harm the environment, which is false. When will we be refunded due to the governments "mistake"?? I have no issue with saving energy, needless waste is pointless. What I am raging about is the fact that we have been lied to (again) by the people who are supposed to be running our ****hole of a country. On another note, remember David Bellamy? Wondering where he went? BBC are supposed to be non-biased, yet they completely spin the release of these emails as only "hacking" and it's nothing to worry about.

hehe Have your say over at the bbc about it if you like. Edited to say, there is so much being said about this story around the world. From the word "Climategate" not even being a word last friday, to over 3.7 Million (yes Million) results on google in less than a week. one day it'll be mainstream news in the UK, how can they ignore this? I liked this from NZ "There have been strident claims that New Zealand is warming. The Inter-governmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), among other organisations and scientists, allege that, along with the rest of the world, we have been heating up for over 100 years. But now, a simple check of publicly-available information proves these claims wrong. In fact, New Zealand’s temperature has been remarkably stable for a century and a half. So what’s going on?" Researchers find records adjusted to represent 'warming' when raw data show temperatures have been stable." Talk about a f@rse!

1) show me the evidence (and no links to Al Gore please ) 2) Can't be a bad thing reducing the energy we use, it's good to save money 3) Prove someone stole the emails, and that they weren't leaked by someone on the inside? Maybe should change the subject of this thread to Climategate. 4) Imagine an electric car with a speaker in the back replicating the noise of a V12 5) Still, if we can save a few quid by using low energy appliances/lighting, we all save (and the government get less) 6) We really shouldn't chop all the trees down, purely for the purpose of the little animals/insects who live in (and around) them, poor things. Carry on eating your South American steak, we do not contribute to global warming, the planet hasn't warmed in the last 10 years.

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My opinion of the BBC has changed greatly over the last couple of days How can they headline the whole climategate on Monday night on Newsnight (BBC2), yet, 30 minutes later on the 11 o'clock news on News 24 not a mention, zilch? What a bunch of eejits This is serious guys, we have been diddled for years with our increased Road Tax based on CO2 emissions, when exactly will they be paying it back to us?

Still not much coverage via the mainstream media, it's coming slowly though. Daily mail are covering it a bit. Also, one brave presenter from our own BBC has started something, some interesting comments on his blog. A question for you all, when will you all be contacting your mp's to ask for a rebate for all the "green taxes" that you have paid in the past, for example; road tax? Bored?

This doesn't deserve to be in off topic in my opinion, but, has no one seen the news about the University of East Anglia (who are the leading UK Climate Research group) getting "hacked"? The alleged hackers released some 60mb worth of emails showing details which, to me and lots of others, proves once-and-for-all that it really is just an excuse to tax us even more. Funnily enough, it's not being talked about much on the bbc, hmmm....

Point proven? What planet are you on boy? Did you not see all the comments on your previous thread? These pm's you talk about receiving, were they from Diablo showing his support for you edited to add: as we live in a democracy, the people/members should have the final say on this dude's account/ip being blocked. I'm a member of another forum where, if anyone acts like he has, a poll is put up to vote to ban him

Just incase you miss it elsewhere As you were.

Gone, but not forgotten.

I'm obviously not "die-hard", not my cup of tea.

You don't drive a silver wrx do you? I'm local to you, had a 56 plate black hawkeye sti until a few weeks ago

Machine guns on top would just finish it off nicely (to get rid of all the things/people in room 101 )

I think I'm a bit different from the norm

The problem with leaving a gap is some t**t will just pop into that gap! Gets on my nerves too, the driving ability in the UK is generally shocking. Every day I come along the Edinburgh Airport road heading to Newbridge roundabout, the amount of people that stay in the "fast lane" then sneak in at the last minute (without indicating) gets on my tits. I remember once, I was in the scooby, this big 4x4 trying to do exactly that, which would have forced me into the slip for the m8. There was no was I was moving, he was not happy at all. Luckily he was going the same road as me heading to Broxburn, which gave me even more time to wind him up