Classic's Vs Newage - Discuss

[Gee Wr1]

  TheWelsho said:

WRX Spot lights, that light blue paint job, 17 inch PF7 wheels finished in a chrome colour and other stuff, oh yes, and a badge!

& not covered in silly stickers like some

[thewelsho]

  Gee Wr1 said:

& not covered in silly stickers like some

I wish... mines are all gone now and I can't get anyone to fit more at shortish notice...

[4Hero]

  TheWelsho said:

I wish... mines are all gone now and I can't get anyone to fit more at shortish notice...

it's a sign John, leave it naked

[colin_ross]

  higgy said:

Oh and Collin if the classics are so good why do you have newage bits on your car.......

Higgy

That took longer than I expected.

The reason my car is spec'd the way it is is that only the best will do for my car.

The best rack I can fit is a jap spec c one so on it goes.

The best shell I can fit it to is a gc8 2 door.

The only other newage (sorry middleage ) thing I'd consider adding to my classic nirvana is avcs heads. The rest you can keep.

Edited May 3, 2008 by Playsatan2

[scientific steve]

  scoobyiain said:

I've driven a couple of type r's JW and they are nothing worth raving about. Don't worry you're not missing much

thats only cause it was in the wet and you werent Brave enough to give the loud pedal some when dropping my old car off

and you werent saying that much AFTER the wee jaunt round knockers

when Craig Mac had his car we swapped over and had a blast of each others cars

one thing i didnt like too much was (as mentioned before) you sit ON the newage as to sitting in the classic

the feel you can get from what the car is telling you is completely different too

i prefered the rawness of the type r but i have owned a few fun rear wheel drive cars so enjoy the "moments" you can have

it could be put down to when you hear a song for the first time,

if you hear the cover version first you'll prefer that to the original

[higgy]

  Playsatan2 said:

That took longer than I expected.

The reason my car is spec'd the way it is is that only the best will do for my car.

The best rack I can fit is a jap spec c one so on it goes.

The best shell I can fit it to is a gc8 2 door.

The only other newage (sorry middleage ) thing I'd consider adding to my classic nirvana is avcs heads. The rest you can keep.

Lol

Higgy

[scoobyiain]

100% agree with you steve, i was scared to put the loud pedal down in your old car. If it had been my own car then i would have no problem but as it was yours i was not willing to take any chances. Had the rear end out a few times in the BM already.

I loved the pax round knockers but would rather have a newage anyday of the week, month or year.

[jcscoob]

  scoobyiain said:

Had my rear end out a few times in the BM already .

[scoobyiain]

ooops. The rear end of my BM, not my rear end

[braveheart]

Lol what's all the noise about 3 words to describe this thread is LOVE.HOUNOUR,CLASSIC

[colin_ross]

Hmmm. a lot of middleage owners seem to be saying that the stiffer chassis more than make up for the extra weight.

So why do RCM, Zen, Andy F, Scoobyclinic, Lateral Perfomance, Tein etc all use classics for their track cars?

[fai17]

say that why does the Us and Japs run the fat boys and lets look into the WRC too

[colin_ross]

  fai 17 said:

and lets look into the WRC too

Subaru enter the WRC to promote and sell their cars. Not much point trying to promote a car they no longer produce.

[the squiggle]

  fai 17 said:

say that why does the Us and Japs run the fat boys and lets look into the WRC too

Fastest Scoob in Japan currently is a Classic

As for the US, hhhhmmmmmmmmm maybe its because the average American would find a classic a bit too cosy

As for the WRC, would not be suitable for Subaru to race one varient of the Impreza and sell another now would it

Classics rule and just imagine Peter if you had put your current set up into an A or B series Impreza

[kloon]

Does it really matter ? We're all here for the same reason, we love Scoobs, be they Classics, Newages or whatever !

[colin_ross]

Of course it matters. My narrow minded classic biased views are as valid as the next mans. Or maybe more valid

  The Squiggle said:

Fastest Scoob in Japan currently is a Classic

As for the US, hhhhmmmmmmmmm maybe its because the average American would find a classic a bit too cosy

As for the WRC, would not be suitable for Subaru to race one varient of the Impreza and sell another now would it

Classics rule and just imagine Peter if you had put your current set up into an A or B series Impreza

Squiggle makes a good point. Regrding the US tho, I think you'll find they never got the sti in classic form and are unable to import any rhd examples. Tuners will only promote what their customers can buy so not really a fair comparison.

Pete's setup in a gc8 would be like adding another 100bhp and feel like another 200.

[thewelsho]

  Playsatan2 said:

Hmmm. a lot of middleage owners seem to be saying that the stiffer chassis more than make up for the extra weight.

So why do RCM, Zen, Andy F, Scoobyclinic, Lateral Perfomance, Tein etc all use classics for their track cars?

All set in their ways Started with a Classic car, threw a million bucks at, got it doing what they want so why clear the slate and start all over again just cause the body-style changed? Unlike the WRC - these people do not promote the sale of cars but they do promote the sale of performance parts and tuning services that work across the range. I'm sure for every tuner/reseller you could mention who run classic cars, you'd be able to find another who run Newage cars - even AndyF has one of those that he takes on the track etc. What about the US Subaru Rally team, do they promote the sale of new cars? I don't think so (could be wrong) yet they chose to run Newage cars. Then there is Duncan at Hypertech, what's he got? The Newer Age, so there?! Going back to the WRC, Peter still makes a valid point. Of course they can't run different cars, but the fact is they CHANGED the Classic style in the first place to the Newage, I think we forgot about that.

I think someone made the point that it doesn't really matter whether we drive Classic or Newages, and that's right - it's all about preference. I can only say I prefer a Newage becasue I never driven a Classic, but then again - what is a Classic and a Newage?? Colin can't really say he drives a Classic, neither can AndyF becasue both of these cars are a million miles away from what they were originally - and with my limited understanding I think I'm right in saying: you can do that with a Newage too.

Man I get really annoyed at how long-winded I can be sometimes - I have no life!

[jcscoob]

This thread just gets better, lol

sorry things in my photobucket were chatchin my eye

[JohnSt]

  TheWelsho said:

What about the US Subaru Rally team, do they promote the sale of new cars? I don't think so (could be wrong) yet they chose to run Newage cars. Then there is Duncan at Hypertech, what's he got? The Newer Age, so there?! Going back to the WRC, Peter still makes a valid point. Of course they can't run different cars, but the fact is they CHANGED the Classic style in the first place to the Newage, I think we forgot about that.

Man I get really annoyed at how long-winded I can be sometimes - I have no life!

Before making assumptions, read up on Homoligation rules etc.

Agreed on the last point though.

I currently have three 'classics' (stupid term, they're just old, not classics), and I'm building a 4rth, now, why would I want to do that if I thought a Bugly would serve me better ?

All the top cars in the country are based on the older chassis for a reason !!

How many WRC championships have Subaru won in a Bugeye ? Big Fat Zero

Edited May 7, 2008 by JohnSt

[thewelsho]

  JohnSt said:

How many WRC championships have Subaru won in a Bugeye ? Big Fat Zero

Yeah, that's true. But that could be down to other factors like the other manufacturers producing better cars than the ones they had before. There is also the issue of drivers; are the Subaru drivers really up to the job when compared to the other drivers? I mean, I don't know that's why I'm asking. I think its silly to say a Classic has won the WRC and a Newage hasn't so the Classic is better. That's like saying the Celtic team that won the European cup are a better team than the current crop of players. Relatively speaking they are, but its a comparison that can only be trully made if we can take the current team back in time to face the Lisbon Lions. Similarly, we would need to take the current Newage back in time and race it against the Classic car and the others. That is the only way to really compare these cars in this way, and as you can see, that's not possible, so the comparison about what is best, cannot be definitively made. Therefore, the discussion about whose best is nothing more than opinion! So there!

Oh no! I did that long-winded thing again.

[mic]

Yer cars pish mate!!! x

[JohnSt]

  TheWelsho said:

Yeah, that's true. But that could be down to other factors like the other manufacturers producing better cars than the ones they had before. There is also the issue of drivers; are the Subaru drivers really up to the job when compared to the other drivers? I mean, I don't know that's why I'm asking. I think its silly to say a Classic has won the WRC and a Newage hasn't so the Classic is better. That's like saying the Celtic team that won the European cup are a better team than the current crop of players. Relatively speaking they are, but its a comparison that can only be trully made if we can take the current team back in time to face the Lisbon Lions. Similarly, we would need to take the current Newage back in time and race it against the Classic car and the others. That is the only way to really compare these cars in this way, and as you can see, that's not possible, so the comparison about what is best, cannot be definitively made. Therefore, the discussion about whose best is nothing more than opinion! So there!

Oh no! I did that long-winded thing again.

You really do rabbit on without actually saying anything don't you

I guess if anything you could argue Newage cars are more reliable, or would you disagree ?

[thewelsho]

  JohnSt said:

You really do rabbit on without actually saying anything don't you

I guess if anything you could argue Newage cars are more reliable, or would you disagree ?

Disgree with the rambling, that hurt, I thought the point was well made More reliable? Dunno, again I have no experience of anything other than my MY06 and I have broke a piston and ragged the gear box, so possibly not! LOL

[jimser]

  TheWelsho said:

Disgree with the rambling, that hurt, I thought the point was well made More reliable? Dunno, again I have no experience of anything other than my MY06 and I have broke a piston and ragged the gear box, so possibly not! LOL

some good points made john,as for the gubbed piston and gearbox,well theres plenty of

classics with that too.

everyone buys what they like/can afford and at the end of the day there all subarus.drive and enjoy!

[iainc]

  jimser said:

some good points made john,as for the gubbed piston and gearbox,well theres plenty of

classics with that too.

everyone buys what they like/can afford and at the end of the day there all subarus.drive and enjoy!

Still reckon 2dr classics have "something"... but as I mentioned before, anyone with a post 96 model just has a "pre-newage newage"... 92-96 models are the only "classic classics"