FFS...bloody thread locking!!!

[coulty]

I mean god is Scottishscoobies turning into what scoobynet is with silly thread locking. Loafy the guy that posts the sets does it for fun, give the guy a feckin break!!!

Don't usually post unless i have something to say and even that is not that often. Does that mean i should get my threads locked cause i don't have much to say. Some of the threads i have seen posted on here are stupid. Many 6 year olds have more constructive things to say than goats or whatever crap i see on here.

Mass movement to sn on the cards!

[corsa]

Have to agree with you coulty, what about the rest of the Off Topic Shoite that is posted?

 

Dont see them getting locked,i actually quite enjoy the mixes ( although not all of them) but a change from the normal, look i have washed my car and there are too many exclamation marks in your reply type threads!!.

Even Dougster didnae take it this far.....

[drb5]

Another one here, who agree's with the above.

[ANDYJDMSTI]

Yeah coulty you have a good point.

If he was given the ok to post them up then what the hell is the problem.

Think it is a case of people on a "power trip"

 

Purely as a "random" example.............why was this not locked???, or is there covert subaru content??

Television then pie shops!!

http://forums.sidc.co.uk/forums/732734/ShowPost.aspx

 

I know i have put up afew O/T so can i expect them to be locked??..........feel free!!

Think the people with the locking powers are going to be busy now if this is the new trend.

 

[st3ph3n]

I'll explain my opinion and that of the other mods who I discussed this with before I locked the thread. I did not lock it as I felt the need to use my new found "authority". I think most people know me well enough to know the chances of a power trip are slim to nil. You'll have noticed there was other comments on the thread which were for what I eventually did.

Firstly the material is copyrighted and I'm sure there's a big issue in there somewhere. They are just harmless mixes he's posting for free and I'll fully admit I download quite a few of these a week (not loafy's though) and they're not exactly piracy funding terrorism, but I have no doubt they are illegal.

Secondly - loafy hasn't posted anything that wasn't a mix announcement since may.

Third - if you read his website once a week you can get them from there anyway.

O/T threads are more than fine, it's part of what I think makes this place great so there is no danger of me locking them and indeed that was not why the thread was locked as you can read.

If the general consensus of opinion is that I'm wrong (and the other mods who agreed) - based on my reasons for locking it - then please make your voices heard. This is a democracy.

[zeolite]

Stephen

This is the joy of being a mod. Some people seem to like a target to shoot at.

Anyway for what it is worth I know you did the right thing.

[coulty]

I'm sorry but what difference does it make that he hasn't posted any thread since his last post in may. This is not a valid point.

Who cares that i can get it from his website i like when he lets us know when they are available just like we get told of someone's ticket that they bought for some concert or something as mundane as that.

The copyright issue is indeed a valid one but he is not doing it for any financial gain so he wouldn't be chased for this utter bad crime eh!

O/T threads are not fine if you discriminate against loafy's.

It ain't the joy of being a mod and a target to shoot at. It just means that a mod should clearly apply the same rules to all posts. This is one main reason why so many moved to SIDC from Scoobynet!!!!!

[drb5]

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The copyright issue is indeed a valid one but he is not doing it for any financial gain so he wouldn't be chased for this utter bad crime eh!

 

That's the main point there. Well said Stu.

[zeolite]

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The copyright issue is indeed a valid one but he is not doing it for any financial gain so he wouldn't be chased for this utter bad crime eh!

 

That's the main point there. Well said Stu.

Seems like it is a main point missed!

Whether or not he is doing it for profit the site is being used to disseminate the mix. This could easily get the forum closed by the providers and could get Phil S in court.

[drb5]

If they were ok with it at the start though, what's changed?

Valid question there and not trying to a p***k. []

[zeolite]

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If they were ok with it at the start though, what's changed?

I don't know why it was allowed in the first place. It was always dodgy so I figure it must have been a cock-up. Can't say I thought much about it before as it is not my kind of music.

I know of another forum that got closed down because of some video sharing piracy issues so I know this stuff does get monitored. Better safe than sorry.

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Expect no less from you Dave. []

[RA Dunk]

this forums becomming less fun by the day , just renewed as well [] It seems the forums is set up to please everybody other than the paying members , we cant do this , we cant do that,  we need permission for this,  we need permission for that , maybe it would be a good idea to start pleasing the people who pay for it and keep it going rather than those who dont

As for the O/T topics you cant seriously expect every topic on a forum to stay subaru related can you? would be a bit dull if you ask me

Loafy`s mix , well he is a paid up member whether he makes regular posts about subaru related things or not is his choice , quite sad he makes a post with his latest mix and it get`s locked and moaned at

As for that thread that was deleted last night with the attractive lady (fully clothed i might add) what was so wrong about that picture that it had to be deleted the picture was taking at a public event but yet it`s seen to be to filthy to be posted in these forums , were supposed to be adults here not school kids , this is a car forum not primary 1

seems the do gooders are calling the shots though

[wrxmania]

I did not see the picture that was removed but I assume it was removed for good reason - this forum can be viewed by all people young and old, and as a club the SIDC must be aware of this.  It may be veiwed entirely by adults but we do not know this - this may seem like a partial nanny state it may be, but that is society today. 

The mixes thread - from what I can gather, as I was not in last night, there are definite copyright issues, and whether it is for profit, for fun, whatever, we cannot provide access to recorded music without it being licenced from copyright holders - should any one of the many copyright holders in such a mix decide to take legal action (and I use the mixes only as an example - it could be any music etc) that would be the end of the SIDC as a club, not just a forum.  Please remember the forums are only one part of the SIDC.

People will always have a go at any decision made, but from what I gather, Stephen did not make this decision alone.  The comment about the do gooders calling the shots is a bit unfair - we are here to try to keep the forums running safely without exposing the club to legal threat.

You are correct to comment though on decsions you don't agree with.  Please post any suggestions to phil@sidc.co.uk or post them in the SUGGESTIONS club area of the forums.

Brian []

[st3ph3n]

The picture could be deemed as offensive and was removed.

loafy isn't a paid up member, he had an avatar by mistake - not that being a paid up member has any bearing on the descision.

And the O/T stuff is here to stay, no worries about that.

[z1000]

Seeing as things are meant to be changing why not split the forums up a bit into tech, adult and o/t sections like many other forums out there then those who only ever want to look at something about subarus can do just that without the fear of cracking a smile or going blind if they happen to see a member of the oposite sex (oops am i allowed to say that word ?)

I'm not a paid up member but find the forums a invaluable source of knowledge and banter but like everything else in life it seems that you have someone watching your every move.

Stephen i don't envy you at all as it must be very hard keeping things right and everyone happy.

Steve

[craigwrx]

Come on lads, we all know its illegal to post such a link, it
would only take one member to report the board for allowing such a link to
remain. Why it was ever allowed is a strange one, but we should be worried about
the present day and the future of the board, not the past.

 

Staff/moderators have a thankless task and are only looking
out for its members and the growth of the board/club ...do we really want to be
associated with such illegal content ? ..personally i think not

[wrxmania]

Thanks Craig

[drb5]

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If they were ok with it at the start though, what's changed?

I don't know why it was allowed in the first place. It was always dodgy so I figure it must have been a cock-up. Can't say I thought much about it before as it is not my kind of music.

I know of another forum that got closed down because of some video sharing piracy issues so I know this stuff does get monitored. Better safe than sorry.

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Expect no less from you Dave. []

 

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[Digital]

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I'll explain my opinion and that of the other mods who I discussed this with before I locked the thread. I did not lock it as I felt the need to use my new found "authority". I think most people know me well enough to know the chances of a power trip are slim to nil. You'll have noticed there was other comments on the thread which were for what I eventually did.

Firstly the material is copyrighted and I'm sure there's a big issue in there somewhere. They are just harmless mixes he's posting for free and I'll fully admit I download quite a few of these a week (not loafy's though) and they're not exactly piracy funding terrorism, but I have no doubt they are illegal.

Secondly - loafy hasn't posted anything that wasn't a mix announcement since may.

Third - if you read his website once a week you can get them from there anyway.

O/T threads are more than fine, it's part of what I think makes this place great so there is no danger of me locking them and indeed that was not why the thread was locked as you can read.

If the general consensus of opinion is that I'm wrong (and the other mods who agreed) - based on my reasons for locking it - then please make your voices heard. This is a democracy.

Have to agree with this. Even if Loafy owns the copyright to the material and can prove it, i'm pretty sure the site doesn't, so in essence SIDC would be in breach of copyright under its hosting terms to allow links to any such material.

If the complaint is thread locking and general site annoyances then thats a different story. Maybe a new thread to discuss these issues and future ideas for stephen to take on board would be a better way to approach this issue.

[Digital]

Guess what gets right on my tats. ^^^^

[st3ph3n]

For the record I'm not in charge of the forums. I have moderator privileges like some other users (Dougster and WRXMANIA being the other Scottish ones), but my remit is that of the www.sidc.co.uk homepage and not deciding things for the forum.

[paddy247]

I say its a bit harsh locking the thread, if thats the case are all the other threads with copyright material on them going to be locked, one rule for all.

[thewelsho]

The thread is locked, but the material is still available. Does this then not defeat the purpose? Wouldn't it be better to remove the link/thread? Or, isn't it possible to leave the thread running and post a moderator message on it stating that the SIDC does not condone it? Wouldn't that cover the club legally?

I think mods do get it in the neck partly because of their dual role: Member-come-mod. It's difficult to respect "authority" when that authority comes from within (one of us telling one of us what and what not to do). Perhaps mods should be have a private logon, save all the personal grief.

Anyway, that's my tuppence worth.

John

[imprezapete]

What about all the videos where people have used music from artists for their homemade videos?

You surly have to ban those links/threads as well then? Seems like you need to sort whats allowed and whats not cause your sure giving a mixed message out.

Remixed music - Not allowed

Music ripped for videos - Allowed

Both are I believe illegal without the original creator/owners consent, no?

[wrxmania]

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The thread is locked, but the material is still available. Does this then not defeat the purpose? Wouldn't it be better to remove the link/thread? Or, isn't it possible to leave the thread running and post a moderator message on it stating that the SIDC does not condone it? Wouldn't that cover the club legally?

I think mods do get it in the neck partly because of their dual role: Member-come-mod. It's difficult to respect "authority" when that authority comes from within (one of us telling one of us what and what not to do). Perhaps mods should be have a private logon, save all the personal grief.

Anyway, that's my tuppence worth.

John

Good point John - I have edited the thread.  Thanks for your comments Pete.

Brian []