Tips for KH track days ( in a Scoob) ?

[~ ~ Cal ~~]

Any special advice ? I know the track well and could give it some in the Honda but now cacking it for taking the Scoob round ;Q

It does seem way more planted but the weight distribution becomes more of an issue. I have been out with Kev (Woosh) in his P1 and he was sideways at almost every corner. My pishy 220 bhp won't be allowing me to do that but does anyone have any pointers for specifically hammering round KH in Scoobs ( specifically buglies ). I don't plan on going sideways ( not great idea @ an SIDC or HM event anyway) but how is everyone getting the tail oot at the hairpin ? Are you using the "hauny" ? or doing some Skando flicks before hand ?

While we're at it who were the sideways bobs at KH last year who were black flagged for excessive lateral motion ( balck wagon & red classic IIRC ?) Loved the show whilst it lasted !

On a tangent - anyone seen that Racing Rivals series - those boys can really shift some ass!

Thanks

Cal

[Boyakasha]

Cal using the handbrake on a 4wd car is a bad idea, it will wreck the diffs (I think that is correct).

Couldn't give you tips on driving round KH as I have never done it in a 4wd car yet

Marc

[dave_morgan]

Depends on the car obviously, but in my experience, if you want some rear end action in a scoob, you'll definitely need some form of "flick" into it (unless you're in a type R or have major power!!) . Hit the brakes hard, start the turn in before you come off the brakes (best way to get a good positive turn in on any car) and then hit the gas. This is with the hairpin in mind BTW, I'm not thinking of any other corners as this is by far the safest one to 'practice' on. Get a few laps under your belt using the hard brakes then turn in technique before you go for any 'flicking' though, to make sure you get a feel for the balance. You'll probably get understeer until you get the amount of turn in sorted out.

General Scooby advice :

FILL up your tank, and ideally take a jerry can with you so you don't get too low. Fuel surge is a problem at the hairpin at Knockhill and is VERY annoying. Last time out I was having a nice cat and mouse with a Westfield and an elise (tut I think), but I was getting surge at the hairpin which meant all the speed advantage I should have had on the straight was lost by a slow pick up. Very frustrating I can assure you! I won't be making that mistake again!

Other advice is just the usual start slow, speed it up gradually, stop regularly to let things cool down, don't put the handbrake on in the pit lane etc. John Stewart's written a good track day guide somewhere which he'll hopefully put up before the day which has some good general advice but you'll probably know most of it as a lot of is general knowledge if you're a regular "tracky" !

HTH, and have fun !!

Dave

[evojkp]

Cal, just get a feel for the car. Once you build up the confidence your entry and exit speeds will start to increase. Use the 4wd to pull you through corners. Once you get a small bit of drift you know you are pushing hard enough. Your car will easily drift and slide, just needs a bit of provoking.

As for tail oot, the easiest way is to turn in to the corner under heavy braking, as the back end will be very light and will start to come around. Not recommended turning into Duffus tho'

Haunys in the Impreza are not a good idea, as you can do some damage. For that you should have come to the darkside mate, as there is a sensor on the handbrake from the VII onwards, that 'unlocks' the diffs, ACD and AYC to allow you to do this.

Enjoy.

...John

[Nelsdir]

Cal, I did the High Perf driving course in the RB5. Was just me and 2 other guys on track (both in the KH XR2's doing one of the other courses). Was a baltic October morning as well so car was flying. It was a 1 hrs session and the instructor was Gordon Sheddon who funnily enough has driven in that Racing Rivals for the last couple of years and boy can he drive - also did BTCC as well.

I did 3 laps just to find my line and let him guage my driving style. He then did 3 laps - 1st was to show the right lines, the next to show what happens when you do it wrong (brake during the corner, power-oversteer etc.) and the third lap he did it flat out!!! I had no idea the car could go that fast - was p!ssing myself laughing when he finished!!

Then 2 x 10 lap sessions. It let me find out about the car without having to worry about anyone else tyring to enjoy their track day. Was only 90 quid which I thought was a bit of a bargain. Top bloke he was as well.

Neil

[evojkp]

Neil, I done that very same course back in 1998 and can not recommend it enough. The confidence you get with 1:1 tuition and someone taking the time to teach is top notch.

[fraser_drinkwater]

how much was the course?

[Nelsdir]

Performance Driving at KH

Well worth it - will probably do it it again when I (hopefully) get another scoob soon.

Neil

[~ ~ Cal ~~]

Thanks for the advice guys - all appreciated ! I never thought about the diff knackering aspect of haunyism

I think I'll juts take it easy and then wind it up. I have these RE 070's on at the mo' - they are sticky as hell once up to temperature

Fuel surge sounds like a pain in the erse ! What approx. % is it empty when it kicks in

Also - I know the Scoobies brakes ain't that hot - are the new age Scoobs any better than the classics ?

Would love to take the driving course but mildly rooked at the moment although my birthday is due 3 days before the SIDC day in March

Cheers

Cal

[spooks]

<< my birthday is due 3 days before the SIDC day in March

>>

You fishing for pressies Cal

Fuel surge is 1/4 tank i have been relaibly informed. No idea about brakes as Im too chicken to get out and do it myself, although even with Ds2500 pads and Pagid discs I have experianced brake fade on some roads.

Hope to see you there

Spooks

[dougster]

I can only help you with the "don'ts"

[jamie_wood]

Never had a problem using the handbrake at the hairpin in any of the other Scoobies I have had on track.

Biggest problem is trying to stop the buggers at any of the corners , never run out of brakes yet though (well, not enough to cause a big problem).

If your over 300bhp, the problems are keeping it on the track when it drifts out of corners when you plant it on damp days (or dry days in an RA!).

Closest one I have ever had was the same as Dougsters piccy above, exept i continued on towards the tyres and stopped just touching them

Best advice is to take atleast 4-5 laps to get the car warmed up and also give her a lap or two to cool down before you come in for a break.

Apart from that, just enjoy the day.

[kennyi]

<< Any special advice ? >>

Yes, get out of the way of faster moving CTR's

I'll probably regret that comment but what the hell, it had to be said

Traitor

[fraser_drinkwater]

No probs the scoobs will hear a distinct bee like buzzing sound as you approach! lol

[~ ~ Cal ~~]

Kenny - video evidence of your beatch slapping will be televised .....besides yer so tight you'll be driving @ less then 60mph to save fuel

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[~ ~ Cal ~~]

FAO those with the B-Hague camcorder brackets >

Where are you positioning yours ? I like the view from behind the nearside rear seat ( (akin to the view in my video clip >>> right click save as, here)

Anyone one have any pics or advice - I suppose the rear pax window would be suitable unlike the CTR's curved rear window........ ??

I may also try a WRC wheel cam-mode again although it's a tad hairy even with a lanyard on it

Any ideas ?

Cal

[~ ~ Cal ~~]

Just read this ancient thread which was interesting

I hadn't really appreciated the politics before >>>> glad it's all resolved now

Cal

p.s is it easy to change 02 WRX brake pads if necessary ( not ideal to bed them in on track but if needs must ?)