scouk Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 Ok daft question.. How do the running costs compare of a Classic sport to say a newage WRX? Have been considering getting a 2nd car as a run around into work every day as the WRX is hating it.. gets really bogged down and I can feel the performance drop due to the short poxy runs.. Also wouldn't mind keeping some of the miles off it.. Kinda settled for a Pug106 if I can get one cheap.. But this morning I had a daft idea of maybe gettting a classic sport (Possibly the Special Edition yellow one ) that I could hammer around in and out of work and up forest tracks without having the same worry about breaking splitters / brakes and stuff, use it more as a toy for the likes of Alford or whatever, if it's off the road for any reason not a problem as I still have the WRX... I really need to look after the newage after the whoopsies this year Basically Wondering about insurance and general fuel costs.. compared to the WRX and see if it's worth it.. Also would be cool to own two scoobs Link to comment
gus the bus Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 (edited) Personally I would go with the 106 option. Sports arent that much better on fuel (low-mid 30's on a good day) and insurance is only marginally cheaper so it wouldnt be a "cheap" alternative. PS I do own two scoobies but have the C1's for every day running. Now they are VERY cheap motoring. £35 a year road tax(and getting cheaper ), 65 mpg and £115 a year for insurance inc business use Gus Edited September 12, 2008 by Gus the Bus Link to comment
jamesm Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 I half looked at another Scoob when I got my cheap runner, but as Gus says its not cheaper enough to justify as a second cheap runabout. So instead, I went with a Pug 106 which I picked up from the classifieds about 18 months ago. It is a 1.5 XLD and is as slow as anything. I get out accelerated by Transits with ladders on the roof, but it gives me almost 60mpg on my commute and did almost 12,000 miles last year just commuting, business use and local trips. It did cost £900 but then only had 19k on the clock. Owned by a pensioner who went to the shops twice a week, and once to Blackpool! Costs me about £240 to insure fully comp with business class 1 use. Other than routine servicing brakes and tyres, all I have had to do to it in 18 months is an ignition barrel, radiator and electrical relay when the brakes lights stopped working. Only current problem is the airbag light. Great wee motor. Link to comment
thefastone Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 Well really, I know that its not a sport, but the Shed™ was pretty decent on fuel, never complained, and was still decent enough fun... I cant say that it was more expensive to run than the 2 Ford Escorts (not mines) that I was running before that... But that was a 1.8 rather than the 2.0 sport... Link to comment
scooby222 Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 weve had this talk before dale,i still refuse to believe the shed(god rest) was only a 1.8- unless that was without the flux capacitor? and Al,shame on you for encouraging the classic heathens-stay true to the newages!! Link to comment
gus the bus Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 and Al,shame on you for encouraging the classic heathens-stay true to the newages!! moan the classics Link to comment
iainc Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 Would have said that a 106 would make a cheap wee motor to run about in BUT I drove my mates one when we bought it for my sis in law and they are tinny as fook... would hate to be in an accident in one. If I was going for a second wee runabout, esp when you are talking about a possible fun track car, then a 1.9 205 GTi would be ideal. Not as heavy on the fuel, wouldn't imagine it'd cost the earth to insure and it'd still be fun/nippy to mess about in (although probably not much better in a crash than the 106). They are fairly cheap (more so the 1.6's I think) if you aren't bothered about a mint example. Link to comment
iainc Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 Have been considering getting a 2nd car as a run around into work every day as the WRX is hating it.. gets really bogged down and I can feel the performance drop due to the short poxy runs.. Also wouldn't mind keeping some of the miles off it.. Actually I thought you had an old Rover 200/400 to run about in as well? Link to comment
scouk Posted September 12, 2008 Author Share Posted September 12, 2008 (edited) Actually I thought you had an old Rover 200/400 to run about in as well? Kinda.... It's actualyl my dad's.. And it's sh17e! No really.. it's bloody scary thing to drive.. Brakes vibrate, steering wheel is only a vague idea of which direction the car will drift to, and the chassis wobbles like mad! Sure it's a working backup car but.. err.. no... Kinda got the offer of a 306 though... I would but... the cluth slips, engine is well down on power of what it should be and the paint doesn't match on all the panels.... I know I'm too fussy but woudl like a car I can practice the detailing on as well THe track thing was just a silly thought I had earlier if I got another impreza... Just want something cheap to buy (Sub £1000 ideally) and run (insurance/tax/fuel) with reasonably decent handling... Was thinking a Focus for a while but turns out they weren't as cheap as I thought to run.. 106 pretty much fits the bill, but not many of them around by the looks of things... Not that I'm desperately seeking one.. Just keeping a eye out... JamesM's car above looks spot on, would prefer the dk blue colour but can't be too choosy I wanted a black or silver classic and look what happened there Open to other suggestions though.. maybe somthign I've missed... Edited September 12, 2008 by ScoUK Link to comment
iainc Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 Kinda.... It's actualyl my dad's.. And it's sh17e! No really.. it's bloody scary thing to drive.. Brakes vibrate, steering wheel is only a vague idea of which direction the car will drift to, and the chassis wobbles like mad! Sure it's a working backup car but.. err.. no... Kinda got the offer of a 306 though... I would but... the cluth slips, engine is well down on power of what it should be and the paint doesn't match on all the panels.... I know I'm too fussy but woudl like a car I can practice the detailing on as well THe track thing was just a silly thought I had earlier if I got another impreza... Just want something cheap to buy (Sub £1000 ideally) and run (insurance/tax/fuel) with reasonably decent handling... Was thinking a Focus for a while but turns out they weren't as cheap as I thought to run.. 106 pretty much fits the bill, but not many of them around by the looks of things... Not that I'm desperately seeking one.. Just keeping a eye out... JamesM's car above looks spot on, would prefer the dk blue colour but can't be too choosy I wanted a black or silver classic and look what happened there Open to other suggestions though.. maybe somthign I've missed... Bear in mind a 106 has no power steering either so feels a lot heavier at parking speeds than you'd think. The sis in laws 106 1.5D is the 3dr dark blue you are on about... you don't want to know how little we paid my mate for it *YEARS* ago... put it this way it was in your budget THEN You can get cheap Foresters, but then they'll not be any different than an Impreza to run. Our other main car is a Leon Cupra TDi, but even the "normal" tdi Leons are fairly cheap to run (cheap tax, cheap insurance, huge mpg)... only potential issue is the purchase price, but they are still fun to drive. Actually thinking about it I think one of the guys at work (who has a 90 or 110bhp one) was thinking of changing for something else. Heard from someone who had a Panda (new style) that is seriously cheap for road tax and huge mpg as well, only issue again is going to be the purchase of something that new though. TBH, having run three cars at the one time for our family, an "extra" car just ends up costing you more money. Bear in mind you'll suddenly have to pay out double the insurance, double the tax, MOT's, servicing, etc on two cars. Okay you end up putting less miles on the scoob but is that really worth it? Link to comment
scouk Posted September 12, 2008 Author Share Posted September 12, 2008 TBH, having run three cars at the one time for our family, an "extra" car just ends up costing you more money. Bear in mind you'll suddenly have to pay out double the insurance, double the tax, MOT's, servicing, etc on two cars. Okay you end up putting less miles on the scoob but is that really worth it? Well yeah it would be... just, but it needs to be cheap to start off with.. Less than 1.5L for cheaper road tax (pre 2001) and be cheap to insure.. But starting a second insurance policy woudl be good long term to build up another set of NCB for the future Need to work it out again properly, but did sit down and work it out a while back and it woudl save me money after short while... There's also the peace of mind that if I hit any deer with it.. It's not so devistating... Also saves on cost of tyres.. And suspension... The road down to my work is a bumpy farm road, which isn't really great for runnign the Impreza up and down every day as is only going to wear out the dampers and god knows what else... Guy at work has a Leon and I'ts a nice car! But as you say not really cheap enough at the mo... There's also a Ford Ka! But then the deers might win that one.... Link to comment
iainc Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 Well yeah it would be... just, but it needs to be cheap to start off with.. Less than 1.5L for cheaper road tax (pre 2001) and be cheap to insure.. But starting a second insurance policy woudl be good long term to build up another set of NCB for the future For a 1.5 the 106 is probably hard to beat in terms of costs. Only issue is finding someone selling one (which gets less likely for the same reason you want to buy one, plus they are getting on a bit as well). The deer might win against a 106 as well BTW Link to comment
b4z Posted September 13, 2008 Share Posted September 13, 2008 or u could get the wrx to run on lpg?? Link to comment
RS Grant Posted September 13, 2008 Share Posted September 13, 2008 I run a Ford Ka as a daily driver... its pretty big in the front, the rear seats and boot are crap though!! It cost me 80quid for the year to insure Fully Comp, does about 350-400miles to a 40quid tank of fuel, fun to drive, handles well (bit of bodyroll though) and parts are ridiculously cheap being a Ford. Cheers, Grant Link to comment
scooby222 Posted September 13, 2008 Share Posted September 13, 2008 if you can find one an old shape daihatsu charade-1.3 with 80hp and reliable as anything jap. much as i hated lornas one it was mechanically fine,surprisingly nippy,economical and fun handling. shed still be driving it if the tinworm hadnt taken over (knew the bags of salt over it would work eventually) or for a really fun package a 1.5 lsi civic,120hp with vtec economy Link to comment
scouk Posted September 14, 2008 Author Share Posted September 14, 2008 (edited) Just incase anyone is interested in the same sort of thing I'm thinking about.. Here's some rough figures.. 20 Mile trip to and from work each day.. (will have to check this again) At 280miles a tank in the Impreza, that's 14 days of work commuting costing £60 Which works out at around £100/month Now say in a Ka you'd get 350 miles for £40.. That's 17days of fuel for £40.. Which works out at around £55/month.. So for fuel alone that's a saving of £45/month (But if I can get 280 miles from teh impreza I could see more than 350miles/£40 from a smaller car.. (maybe) Anyway that's a saving of £540/year alone on fuel... Ok fine good so far.. Now let's look at he cost of running a seconds car. Main killers are MOT/Insurance/Tax MOT = £40? TAX = £120 Insurance = £234 (Best quote I got for a 99Ka after a search this monrning) That's £394/year to run the 2nd car.. But being a second insurance policy that's starting from 0 NCB again.. SO future years will get cheaper (in theory) So across the year that's a outright saving of £144/year! Not bad... But, what about the extra stuff.. Well the Impeza woudl get used more at weekends as I'd be saving by using the other car for travelling to/from work.. Which would in the end mean costing more fuel D'oh! BUT! - on the other hand it won't be used for crappy short runs every weekday in and out of work down farm tracks.. Which don't allow the car to hear up properly and will be putting unnecessary wear and tear on the car due to bumpy/dustry tracks.. There's also the saving on tyres.. That'd be a hell of a milage off the car per year, which woudl mean less wear on it, possilby a discount on insurance due to less miles and they woudl be better miles! Better runs for the engine keeping it sweet longer! So basically it's worth while in the first year if you can pick up a car for say £150 But.. Long term due to parts wearing out and failing e.t.c. it'll probably save a fair bit of money! And make the weekend/evening drives that more special We'll it's a good theory anyway Feel free to punch holes in this.. Edited September 14, 2008 by ScoUK Link to comment
colin_ross Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 I've been through this one. Used to have a my97 UK for my everyday car. Racked up loads of miles on it which cost a fortune in depreciation, fuel, servicing, tyres etc. Didn't feel happy leaving it outside a cinema, in the town or even in a supermarket car park. I drove it like miss daisy 99% of the time and when I did put my foot down it was fast but never gave me that wow feeling. Now I have a 1.6 focus for my everyday car. 40 to the gallon, £150 to insure, 2 kiddies eating crisps in that back and spilling juice (leather is great for that btw), nice and quiet and comfy, service it myself whenever I remember. Then there's the subaru, I can take it off the road for major upgrades and not have to walk to work on Monday morning, make it as hardcore as I like, limited mileage policy and it feels rocketship fast every time I drive it. Even if a second car only made you break even it's still worth it for all the plus points. Also, there's nothing quite like saying to the missus "Shall we take the Scooby? ". Link to comment
scouk Posted September 14, 2008 Author Share Posted September 14, 2008 I drove it like miss daisy 99% of the time and when I did put my foot down it was fast but never gave me that wow feeling. Ok that makes perfect sense (along with the rest of your post I'm with you.. I drive it liek Miss daisy unless I'm out for a wee run aroudn the country side.. It's worked for me so far.. But it's really hit home last week.. After the big run for the McRae Gaterring. The few days after it the car was FLYING! and I mean flying, felt so loose and willing to go I REALLY fell in love the with the car all over again! But just a week later after back at work.. It's lost that punch it had a week ago.. It's still got power but No where near as much as it did have just a week ago and it's really groggy first thing in the morning.. Dare not take it over 3,500rpm. That's mainly what's got me thinking abotu a 2nd car again.. I want the Scooby as a Scooby! and the only way I can see of doing that is getting another vehicle.. DId think about a bike, but no use for hte winter.. YOur right braking even is worth it as you'll get a much bigger smine when getting behidn the wheel of the Impreza again. Starting to like this idea... Link to comment
RS Grant Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 Depending on the driving you do, you probably would see an increase over 350miles in a Ka... most of my driving in that car is town work, so on a more open road, constant and easy 400mile+ wouldnt be a problem at all. I leave it anywhere, use one space at the supermarket and dont worry about someone opening their door onto mine, the back seats have gone because I have a Golden Labrador and he wasn't gonna be too happy being folded up in the normal boot and the back seats are pointless anyway as I sit so far back. Plus, it really is fun to drive. Cheers, Grant Link to comment
colin_ross Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 DId think about a bike, but no use for hte winter.. Well, I've got one on them too. It's not really a commuter bike but thats what i use it for anyway. It's not any more economical than the focus but I get there a hell of a lot quicker, especially when traveling through the Glasgow rush hour. The flip side is I can't pick the kids up from school in it. Decide what you're after, cheap transport, a bit of fun, a family wagon etc and take it from there. Link to comment
johnnyr6 Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 Also remember bikes are not that cheap, ins. is usually more (than a small car anyway) tyres don't last long ( i get 5k out of mine commuting, used to get less than 2k when playing), and servicing every 4k ish, clothing etc. Although in saying that i still prefer to commute with the bike than car. Johnny Link to comment
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