£1.25 A Litre!

[cullenmin]

Maybe some of our police members can give us guidance.

Good point, officers?

A spokesperson is a great idea

[RS Grant]

As long as I dont get truncheon/boot marks on the Spec-G or Pepper Spray in my eyes... I'd definitely be up for that too. Hmmmm, might get VOSA to check our cars though, damn should have bought a Sports CAT eh Welsho.

Cheers,

Grant

[thewelsho]

As long as I dont get truncheon/boot marks on the Spec-G or Pepper Spray in my eyes... I'd definitely be up for that too. Hmmmm, might get VOSA to check our cars though, damn should have bought a Sports CAT eh Welsho.

Cheers,

Grant

LOL! You know it makes sense

[Joe1989]

Just think, 6 cars could bring both carrageways to a standstill! We'd get on TV and everything! I wonder what would be the worst thing to happen to us if we did that. Just think if there is an emergency vehicle trying to pass and we blocked it. That wouldn't bode to well. I wonder if there is a sensible way to do this by actaully telling the police that we want to do it. That way they could police it and oirganise a way though for emergency vehicles on teh hard shoulder etc. I know its fraught with difficutlies, I'm jsut thinking out loud...

Probbley causein obstruction and drangerous driving lol!

Wait until my 2 year 6 points trial driving perioud thing is up and i'll gladly do it haha

Edited May 21, 2008 by Joe1989

[scouk]

I don't think yo uunderstand Scott, those rises back in the Tory days put people on the streets. Fuel rises wont have the sort of devastaing effect on us that nearly 16% on the mortgage rate did. If my rate went up to that, I woudln't have a house, simple as that. And back in the day also, it was the GOVERNMENT who set the mortgage rate, not the bank of England. That is why the current leaders gave it over to the BOE so as to prevent a repeat of those dreadful days.

Not sure I agree... Labour came in as I was finishing off uni and couldn't get a job to go to as nearly every company started cutting back and laying off peopel rather than recruiting... Sure they may have been peopel on the street.. But now we have the even poorer getting everythign paid for them! Don't get me wrong, I all for fairness and equality but there's equality and then theres bending over backwards for people! Regardless of opinion, the poor peopel are spending thei money on drink and drugs mostly, they get their whoel lifestyle paid for them whiel we slog it out day in day out to pay for their lives, not our own!... Maybe not all but most are.. that's their life.. They have no intentions of getting a real job as it's too easy a life without it! When they start gettign jobs they get less money and they have less free time.. Where they are now, they get everythign paid for them and 6 out of 7 days a week holiday with just one day to go down to the dole office.. If peoepl liek us get caught ina crime (speeding?) we get fined.. But some people don't care and why shoudl they drive at speed, may no tax/insurance why they cant afford it.. But they will get fined! Yeah but they have no money to pay the fine! they practically get off with it!!

As for the measly 16% interest rate rise! How much has the weekly shop costing you now compared to a year ago? Loaf of bread is pushign over £1 these days! Is our salaries getting higher to compensate? Mine aint!

Living on the streets ain't a good thing I know, but sowm people deserve it if they are not willing to help themselves..!

Sorry rant over... Dunno where that came from...

[neill54]

ideal way to get some coverage on this is try and and organise a sit in at the most exspensive garages stop people buying the feul and see where that would go!

or a full out protest at grangemouth

if everybody in the forum put a psot up in every other forum that they use(i use about 4 others regularly) the message would spread no problem

the whole point to this is i can afford to put the petrol in my car but why the hell should i pay these prices!

neil

p.s its the same as the smoking debate they dont want to treat people that have smoking related illnesses to solve that why dont they just ban ciggies ?

cause the government make too much from the duty

Edited May 21, 2008 by neill54

[cullenmin]

Its not the refineries that we need to protest outside of............

Its the bloody government, downing street (impossible I know), stop them from commuting in their big Jags that are chauffeur driver, all to the expense of us!

[scouk]

Its the bloody government, downing street (impossible I know), stop them from commuting in their big Jags that are chauffeur driver, all to the expense of us!

Ahh but they all drive priuses! Which were recently foudn to be just as environmentally friendly as an aferage family saloon when driven in the real world...

[scientific steve]

I'm keeping a very close eye on things as at the moment I've two mortgages (one with Norther rock too ).

One for my flat that I've rented out and the other for my hoose,

also having 4 vehicles has a bit of a drain too!!

Cant see things getting any better anytime soon either,

not too sure how the "Big boys" run things but are the inflated prices bolstering thefloundering economy?

I didnt pay any attention to Production numbers when I was on the drilling side of things

but now I'm on the Well Services side

Holy flooding tankers vat man!!!!!!!

No wonder oil companies are larfing at the moment

As for the road block

DAMM GOOD IDEA

but we ALL need to be doing it for them to take note

[kaylz_555]

...Convert to gas? just a thought..it's only about £1800 to get it done

[~ ~ Cal ~~]

Gentlemen............................................I work for Shell and feel I should point out a few things :-

Shell INVESTED more than they EARNED last year - something the media fail to mention time and time again.

The oil doesn't jump out of the ground and huge risks are involved.........extraction costs are going through the roof.

EXPLORATION & PRODUCTION

Segment earnings

$14,686 million

Hydrocarbon production

3,234 thousand

boe per day

Capital investment

$15,919 million

You can moan about the oil price but it's putting millions into Uk pensions via Shell and BP profits. Over 90% of that profit was returned to shareholders

Vent your frustrations at Gordie Broon not a company that's over 100 years old and is well established

Nae too concerned about petrol prices as I only have a 3 mile commute but they are going skywards

More alarming is the cost of diesel !!!!!!!!!!!!

[jcscoob]

Some serious stuff about the mortgages there

------------------------------------------------------------------

The fuel protest - 4th of July .... lol

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article568267.ece

Edited May 21, 2008 by Jcscoob

[cullenmin]

Well said Cal

A fellow Shell w$nker here

[scouk]

Well said Cal

In fact... The cost of V-Power doesn't seem so much compared to the other fuels.. It's too late int eh day for me to work out hte exact percentages but the relative difference between V-power and unleaded is much closer now due to the higher price. So even running on Super Unleaded probably isn't going to give you much back in return...

Few months ago I was considering tryign to get 99/00 1.4l focus or somethign just for running about in(mostly too and from work dodging the deer ) in the hope for better MPG with cheap insurance and tax.. May look into that option again if the price hit's £1.50/litre

I'm no expert of the subject but just for the sake of interest how much woudl it cost to run a car on methonol?

[terzo neil]

the cost of diesel is mad

local garage to my work is

£1.34 per litre

[jcscoob]

I'm no expert of the subject but just for the sake of interest how much woudl it cost to run a car on methonol?

Probably less than a pound a litre if you where getting it in the big drums, not sure on MPG tho !

[st3ph3n]

Is fuel tax percentage or pence per litre based? If it is percentage then we need to get that dropped a bit for the moment.

I filled up in perth at 125, but Inverness and then Blairgowrie were cheaper. No idea why as it all supposedly comes from grangemouth, and Perth isn't that far from there surely!

[thewelsho]

Is fuel tax percentage or pence per litre based? If it is percentage then we need to get that dropped a bit for the moment.

I filled up in perth at 125, but Inverness and then Blairgowrie were cheaper. No idea why as it all supposedly comes from grangemouth, and Perth isn't that far from there surely!

The tax on the oil is percentage-based and the tax at the pumps is pence per litre.

[~ ~ Cal ~~]

Old figures but you'll catch the drift............

[st3ph3n]

Eh, not really Cal. Can't work out what of those is percentage or pence based. Either way - higher oil prices = more for the government. If they "budget" for a set amount and are now getting more in why don't they reduce that amount until oil cheapens?

[thewelsho]

Eh, not really Cal. Can't work out what of those is percentage or pence based. Either way - higher oil prices = more for the government. If they "budget" for a set amount and are now getting more in why don't they reduce that amount until oil cheapens?

My point exactly. The answer must be a simple one: they are simply greedy. Allied to that the amount of extra money they are pulling in with the infalted road tax of which only something like 10% is put back into the roads. Absolutely sickening.

Edited May 21, 2008 by TheWelsho

[thewelsho]

Gentlemen............................................I work for Shell and feel I should point out a few things :-

Shell INVESTED more than they EARNED last year - something the media fail to mention time and time again.

The oil doesn't jump out of the ground and huge risks are involved.........extraction costs are going through the roof.

EXPLORATION & PRODUCTION

Segment earnings

$14,686 million

Hydrocarbon production

3,234 thousand

boe per day

Capital investment

$15,919 million

You can moan about the oil price but it's putting millions into Uk pensions via Shell and BP profits. Over 90% of that profit was returned to shareholders

Vent your frustrations at Gordie Broon not a company that's over 100 years old and is well established

Nae too concerned about petrol prices as I only have a 3 mile commute but they are going skywards

More alarming is the cost of diesel !!!!!!!!!!!!

Can't really argue as I am not fully clued up on this, but one has to wonder why a company like Shell would run at a LOSS. Seems a tad difficult to belive. Also, becasue a company is 100 old and well-established, it doesn't make them reputable on that basis alone. Furthermore, this oil price malarky is all very shrouded. Why is it $120+ /barrel? What makes it shoot up to that price in a few weeks? How many litres is in a barrell. All of these things and more are out of the public realm. Seems to me that the less the man in the street knows about such things the more wool can be pulled over his eyes.

[micra_wrc]

There is an online petition to Reduce Fuel duty to bring fuel prices back to an acceptable level on the go here....... clicky to sign petition

there are over 23,500 signatures so far with deadline to sign up by 17 June 08.

Hopefully they listen to us and reduce fuel prices.

We the undersigned petition the government to lower the current levels of taxation on fuels within all UK territories. Petrol, Diesel, Heating Oil and Gas by at least 30%

The current cost is unsustainable to the average family. I myself drive 60 miles per day to work and home again and can not maintain this level of spending (even in our current diesel car) The fuel prices in the UK are simply ridiculous the fault in this case does not lay with the fuel companies it is completely the governments over taxing the hard working people in the United Kingdom.

This petition is not the same as

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/FuelDuty99

we are calling for the reduction of all fuel prices Petrol, Diesel and Home heating Fuel and Gas among others

[jamesm]

Why is it $120+ /barrel? What makes it shoot up to that price in a few weeks?

It is a combination of factors.

Firstly it is simply supply and demand. As demand increases from the likes of China etc, the price goes up. However, the economic situation is a major factor at the moment. Oil is priced in US$ and with the current economic situation and the very weak dollar, oil it cheap for investors and this demand is pushing up prices. Additionally, investors are sinking their money into commodities rather than currencies etc as they are a much safer bet.

OPEC could ease the situation but they have refused to increase production, pushing the price up higher. The market is so finely balanced that every supply problem, no matter how minor, pushed up prices. If a certain country reports a reduction in stockpiles, the price is pushed up higher. The cost of extraction is also increasing.

In this country we get hammered at the pumps due to the tax. The government are making a mint because whilst fuel duty is fixed, VAT is a percentage of the price. They also gain on the tax of oil which is again a percentage.

Unfortunately, it looks like something we are going to have to live with for the medium term! Today oil has reached $135 a barrel

[thewelsho]

It is a combination of factors.

Firstly it is simply supply and demand. As demand increases from the likes of China etc, the price goes up. However, the economic situation is a major factor at the moment. Oil is priced in US$ and with the current economic situation and the very weak dollar, oil it cheap for investors and this demand is pushing up prices. Additionally, investors are sinking their money into commodities rather than currencies etc as they are a much safer bet.

OPEC could ease the situation but they have refused to increase production, pushing the price up higher. The market is so finely balanced that every supply problem, no matter how minor, pushed up prices. If a certain country reports a reduction in stockpiles, the price is pushed up higher. The cost of extraction is also increasing.

In this country we get hammered at the pumps due to the tax. The government are making a mint because whilst fuel duty is fixed, VAT is a percentage of the price. They also gain on the tax of oil which is again a percentage.

Unfortunately, it looks like something we are going to have to live with for the medium term! Today oil has reached $135 a barrel

Oh right, so China, India and the rest say "we want more", and WE have to freaking pay for it!!!! I can't understand it! Why don't we say to China and the rest, NO, your not getting as much as you want ESPECIALLY when they sell the freaking stuff at 35p a litre! Presumably they are buying it at the same price as everyone else YET the consumer pays a mere fraction of what we pay. How can that be???? Heard on the radio today that one of the countries in the world (can't remember who now) can buy petrol at, get this 2p per litre!!!!!!!! You can fill your car up fo jsut over a £1.

Also heard today that people are hoping that the Government don't put the planned 2p duty rise on the price at the pump come October. One commentator said that it will be difficult for them to do a climb down because the treasuery NEEDS the money! WHAT! What about the money they are raking in in tax with the over-inflated price of a barrell. They ought to cut the current duty, the stupid greedy selfish scum!