civic type r!!!

[~ ~ Cal ~~]

Hmmmm.......................having nailed numerous Elises and Scoobies on KH over 2 years I reckon they are an absolute weapon on track. I have videos from 2003 where 3 CTR's pissed all over 75% of the Hot Marques attendees that day ( Ian Baines & Stevie McShannon at the helm). They have a great chassis, brakes that could embaress a Porsche ( as shown on 5th Gear years ago) and bullet proof engines.Yes they have poor torque but when the 6 speed gear box is worked by someone who knows what they are doing with it the V-tec can be fairly versatile.

So in my opinion, the CTR is an better track tool than say a standard bug-eye. The true is reverse on a wet B-road but on a dry road there would not be much in it.  I would be faster at KH in a CTR than a buggy given the same conditions. ( just ask Wilky who was surprised at my turn of pace through the bends when he was in his RA)

Dougster is correct in saying that they would benefit from an LSD. At the KH hairpin you cannot lay down the power to any great effects until the wheels are almost in a straight line.

But throw £2k at a CTR and £2k on a bugeye and the story is very different........

I went for a CTR as I was doing 350 miles a week back then. Now I am doing 100 miles or so a week so I am sticking with the car I have always longed for .........

So in summary, to say a CTR is pants is a tad nieve IMHO.

CGS

[philip_wilson]

So in summary, to say a CTR is pants is a tad nieve IMHO.

CGS

Oh Cal the CTR in standard from is pants IMHO I pi55ed all
over them with my standard classic [] and as I said the CTR's with a supercharge
are fun but still pant until nos is involved []



I do recall seeing a black bug-eyed scoob getting smaller and smaller in my rear view
mirror heading out to Ellon R/R day [] lol.



PGIW

[duncan_stephen]

Yeah, I know what you mean. Not much point comparing a std car to a modded one.

I was just trying to get accross the point that they are not to be under estimated.

They are NOT short of power to keep up with a std UK turbo. Although I must admit std v's std the Scoob would win every time in the twisties, especially in the wet.

But for an N/A car of equal cc to keep up in a straight line is impressive. They rev so high. The comment about nothing till 6k is not really correct. The ivtec engine (EP3 CTR) has kind of moved away from that. (Not sure if this is good or bad)

Also when you know what you are doing, you will stay in vtec all the time and have all the performance you need.

Off the line it is not as easy for the Type R, but this is more to do with the lack of 4x4 traction as opposed to low down power / torque.

And like I say an LSD will keep the CTR right there with the scoob round the corners. Not alot to lash out considering the CTR was cheaper than a UK scoob.

Cue the DC5 with its LSD, boy those things are fast. Even in the corners. A car I'd like to own as some point.

But again they were never really designed to compete in the same market. The scoob a turbo'd 4x4 saloon, the CTR a FWD N/A hot hatch. The reason the CTR was so popular was the cost. They were cheap to buy, run and service. No turbo, and Honda reliability. [] Cant beat it.

 

And like Doug says, Simon at Japerformance built one hell of a beast for Andy. A DC5 with a big a$$ turbo conversion with a Hondata, 360 BHP!!!!!!!

Scott - with the CPL tunned, supercharged +Nos, CTR with a 12 sec 1/4 mile. Dont know how many ponnies????

So they can be pushed. []

 

 

 

[~ ~ Cal ~~]

Oh Cal the CTR in standard from is pants IMHO I pi55ed all over them with my standard classic [] and as I said the CTR's with a supercharge are fun but still pant until nos is involved []

Read my thread again.............I am talking mainly about TRACK days. I bet you would not piss all over one at KH with someone who is a decent driver or are you talking about beating someone in a straight line at Crail ? Also to claim your car is standard seems pretty daft considering it was chuckin out 250 bhp at the RR -  I do remember you posting up a while back to try and ascertain if your car had been fettled with ?? So another point to raise ?

I do recall seeing a black bug-eyed scoob getting smaller and smaller in my rear view mirror heading out to Ellon R/R day [] lol.

Hmmm.............this has feck all to do with CTR's but as you feel you have to bring it up........

a) I had 6 points to contend with - was it worth risking losing my job to keep up with you ? I didn't think so..

I chose to stick to driving below 80 mph whereas your were prepared to go way above that on a NSL road

c) your overtaking was rather dubious to say the least

d) we were in a convoy with some folk who did not know the route............ME included.

e) I reserve my antics for KH where I can exploit my car the full

f) I dont have anything to prove to anyone !

g) my car had not received the 1.2 bar treatment from Andy back then ( not that it really matters..)

Enough said really...............so let's discuss CTR's in a constructive manner and not dwell on the fact that you were driving dangerously en route to Ellon []. Not online for the rest of the night so no need to reply as I cannot be ersed continuing a debate on this. Merely highlighting that the CTR is very capable and that racing on the road is not cool for cats.

Rgds

Cal

p.s for the record - I now have zero points on my driving license  [H]

 

[philip_wilson]

Cal,

I read your post the first time so don't need to read it again thanks []  I would save your money and not waste it on silly bets as the performance figures speak for them self m8. Yes I do claim my car is standard apart from the Scoobysport back box as T&C and Russs can confirm m8 you will find the bigger turbo ect. never got fitted [] so what point you got to raise now???? apart from dyno's don't give a true reading []

Also I touch goats with regards to your comments on my driving now that not cool []

like you say lets keep this of the forum

PGIW

[~ ~ Cal ~~]

 -- See above for edits  --  no need for PM's....... if you post off topic crap like that in a public manner I will respond to it in a public manner.

[scoobyfuzzy]

c`mon guys, i only posted to say how quick 1 certain civic type r was, n that i was shoked on how quick it was, no need to get in to bitter disputes about how " my cars better than ur car" crap.

fuzzy

[philip_wilson]

c`mon guys, i only posted to say how quick 1 certain civic type r was, n that i was shoked on how quick it was, no need to get in to bitter disputes about how " my cars better than ur car" crap.

fuzzy

Sorry fuzzy I was just having my say on the CTR's and what

the power figures say.

[philip_wilson]

Enough said really...............so let's discuss CTR's in a constructive manner and not dwell on the fact that you were driving dangerously en route to Ellon []. Not online for the rest of the night so no need to reply as I cannot be ersed continuing a debate on this. Merely highlighting that the CTR is very capable and that racing on the road is not cool for cats.

Rgds

Cal

FPMSL at you Cal hiding behind a computer typing pi5h about me like a little PHUD

now lets play nice and I'll see you soon.

 

[M8JOF1]

Impreza Ciaran every time, I fully agree with your well made points. I recently endured a rolling road day with loads of type Rs yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawnnnnnn got sick of seeing the same figures 197bhp and 140ib/ft torque on standard and mildly modded ones. One main difference is that they can put a bit of power down that 4WD takes away from a scoob.Type R 14k, Supercharger 4k,Nos 1k outcome 250bhp what a friggin waste of money. Carry on. 

[paul@dastek]

guys,

I thought i would post up a wee thought on the situation as my comapny car is a Supercharged CTr with a racing Toda manifold, Magnex exhaust, K & N filter Jacksons supercharger, tein suspension and camber adjustment arms. I have also fitted a quaiffe ATB(lsd) and a exedy hyper single plate clutch with flywheel. My best friend from the school was Gordon Shedden the BTCC driver and i have used his touring car setting on the wheel alignment Not finished all the mapping yet but it should amke on our dyno in the region of 265-270bhp and around 180-200lbft of torque.

My own car is a 2004 subaru wrx that has been unichipped, downpipe, K & N Typhoon cat back straight through system and a better than standard stereo. this car runs 270bhp 260lbft of torque still running the cat on the up-pipe and standard manifold.

To be honest both cars have their advantages and dissadvantages.

The CTR - The best buzz you will get from a car without spending a second mortgage on the performance mods. I enjoy driving this car every day and find the car in standard form is a very satisfying car to drive with everything you need from a car with good handling and good performance. The car will take a hard life and doesn't need the constant up keep like the subaru. Again the brakes on the car match the power and once you fit a k & N filter the car when it hits v-tec is awesome(it will never feel like a 500bhp) but enjoyable for what it is. Now with the diff in the car the car instead of understeering actually bites into the corners and makes the handling of the car more enjoyable and you can drive the car at a great pace. I can't comment too much on the performance with the supercharger on the car because the mapping isn't finished. Now one of my customers with a N/A CTR managed to hit 132mph at the end of the main straight at knockhill. Oh yes this is one of the quickest cars i have been in on the road.

On the other hand my Scooby is still a quality motor with the loudest burble know to mankind. The scooby is sitting not costing me much in modifications but i wanted to hit STI Type UK power for less than £1000 which i managed with no problems. The car feels quick on the road and you just can't get away from the feeling of boost and the way the car handles. However the car does not feel like can handle the way it ment to drive. For start off the brakes on the car are shocking and to be honest i have never trusted the brakes on the car and i can't just have a better disc and pad set up i require a different set of calipers and discs and pads. Ther handling of the standard car is good but will understeer if pushed hard enough. The best mod i fitted were Whiteline sway bars this sorted the car round a corner and feels a lot more balanced and not so understeery. The scooby feels like a weekend car to me but i need to spend more money on the car. I want to fit a TD05-18g to the car with sti pink injectors and re-build the gear box with a ppg gear kit and a twin plate exedy hyper clutch. i would like to get 380bhp from the car on the standard wrx engine. This i feel would give me a quarter mile time of approx 12.5-12.9 seconds. This would be a quick car.

However the civic with the mods should do a low 13 sec quarter mile but on the road i don't think that there will be much between a 265bhp civic and a 300bhp scooby.

I feel like the CTR is a car you can take out and have a good blast without worrying about MAF sensors brake pads brakes discs and bottom ends letting go. However i love going for a blast in the scooby and it feels like a serious motor car and doesn't feel like a hot hatch more like a cheaper super car.

To sum it up i have a Supercharged CTR for reliability and everyday fun and gives me a smile every day at a not too expensive running cost. The weekend brings out the scooby and is nice to drive with the faamily in the car and you have more prescense on the road and you feel safer.

So if someone said to me choose one and get rid of the other i couldn't tell you what car i would let go. I like them both and both cars give me the buzz that you need every day of the week.

[kloon]

Having never driven a CTR I couldn't possibly compare one performance wise with my Scoob, however what puts me off them is I think they look bl**dy horrible !

[dougster]

Someone asked what would you rather have, a CTR or an Impreza?

Seeing as nearly every Chinese meal around here is delivered by a Scooby, I'll have a Honda.

Having owned a modded classic and driven many CTRs my opinion is that Subaru is a superb all round point to point car but leaves you uninvolved as the majority of us will not drive it to anywhere near 100% on the road.

The CTR involves you more as it is far sharper and feels exactly the way Honda designed it. A track car for the road.

I have driven many variations of the latest Civic and look forward to driving the next CTR which promises even more from the chassis/set up.

All IMHO of course.

[~ ~ Cal ~~]

Enough said really...............so let's discuss CTR's in a constructive manner and not dwell on the fact that you were driving dangerously en route to Ellon []. Not online for the rest of the night so no need to reply as I cannot be ersed continuing a debate on this. Merely highlighting that the CTR is very capable and that racing on the road is not cool for cats.

Rgds

Cal

FPMSL at you Cal hiding behind a computer typing pi5h about me like a little PHUD

now lets play nice and I'll see you soon.

Like I said........you tried to take this pi55 out of me in a public fashion.............so I replied in a public fashion. You now seem to say I am talking nonsense........... I think everyone reading this thread nows the score so I don't need to resort to name calling. My last post on this matter was fairly neutral........you have sadly resorted to name calling despite the fact you wanted to go private. Your comment had nothing to do with CTR's and I never provoked anything.

Cal ( still playing nice) 

[~ ~ Cal ~~]

doh...............posted about the Litchfield Type 25 in the wrong place

[philip_wilson]

Like I said........you tried to take this pi55 out of me in a public fashion.............so I replied in a public fashion. You now seem to say I am talking nonsense........... I think everyone reading this thread nows the score so I don't need to resort to name calling. My last post on this matter was fairly neutral........you have sadly resorted to name calling despite the fact you wanted to go private. Your comment had nothing to do with CTR's and I never provoked anything.

Cal ( still playing nice)

Cal lets leave this off the forum and I'll see you soon []

big kiss

Phil

[scottish555]

Nobody wants to race me anymore[:'(]

I fancy racing a type R..

a will give you a race next year once am done peter

[drb5]

Paul@Dastek

Good post and I touch goats.

[RS Grant]

Went on a Type-R Scotland run a while ago in my old Wagon... Ended up going hell for leather around some amazing roads with about 5 or 6 EP3's in front of me, I wouldnt say that I'm an awesome driver, but I am fairly confident behind the wheel.. specially of a scoob.. it was a dry/clear day and I was having to push my car fairly hard to keep up, they are built to take corners, NOT to take part in straight line drags/races. IMO.

Cheers,

Grant

[westtra]

I have driven CTR's and had a play with ctr's in my old car and they are quick. will not be much slower in a straight line once moving(not from standstill) to my scoob and they handle fvery very good. Still getting used to scoob but a would say its bit more sure footed than the CTR

[exvaux]

or you could buy an impreza type R lol,seriously they are good cars very underrated and it comes down to balls and driver skill on track or twisty roads a lot of folk forget,my mates LCR would eat my car across twisty backroads for 2 reasons,he spent a lot of cash on suspension,brakes and lsd mine is standard and im a s***e driver when it comes to goin fast he is not.

[craig mac]

Nobody wants to race me anymore[:'(]

 

Really [*-)][][]

[duncan_stephen]

lot of good reviews and comments on this thread now. I jave come from an Accord Type R, Cal from a CTR and a few have been up against them on B-Roads.

Was that the January run that I met you at Dundee Grant??? That was a good un!!! I plan to do that one again this year.

I think if we take off our blonkers for a while, we see that there are other cars out there that can give us a run for our money. We buy the cars we want and the cars we can afford. The Scoob ticked all my boxes. It was less than I sold the ATR for, it had 4WD ans a turbo. Just what I wanted at the time. And tunning parts are readily available. Unlike the ltd ATR.

The CTR is a very capable car and very very involved. Just as Hona intended. The braking and steering feel is absolutely imense, better than any other car I have driven. The scoob feels faster but also makes me feel withdrawn a little, if that makes sence. It gives you the feeling that you are a beter driver than you are. Hope this is coming out right, not looking to take the mick of scooby drivers (including me) but its hard to word what I mean. I knew I should have stuck in at school. [:$]

 

Anyway, thats my thoughts.

[RS Grant]

Aye, that was the run I was on about Dunc... Great banter with the TRS lads, I'll be up for the next one too. [H]

Cheers,

Grant

[Ali]

I met up with a friend on a private road in my standard 97 wagon and his 04'Ctr.

My wagon has done 177bhp atw and 235bhp atf at jap performance, but is a completely standard car as far as I know. The CTR is the facelifted version, which I think I am right in saying has 220 bhp and the lsd, and also has an induction kit.

From numerous 2nd gear and third gear rolling starts, right the way through to seventy when both cars started to stop pulling, I can report that there is absolutely nothing in it! Each car got its nose ahead slightly when the other changed gear, but that was it.

The CTR got left behind when we moved to the twisties, but it could have been different in the dry. The CTR did sound awesome though.