st3ph3n Posted January 14, 2006 Posted January 14, 2006 I asked this over on the darkside but didn't get satisfactory answers. So - a CAI on my car. I want to keep my fog lights so can't install a gumball patented drilled fog lamp cover or any sort of duct into one of them. Will this knacker the air flow?
jamie_wood Posted January 14, 2006 Posted January 14, 2006 Unless your running 350+bhp then you dont need the CAI Kit. A good panel filter is better for performance. No doubt someone will disagree. The facts are proven though. Get an STi Element and save your cash!!
st3ph3n Posted January 14, 2006 Author Posted January 14, 2006 I'd be struggling to get near 350 with just a decat and a remap on an otherwise standard 05WRX Jamie, so you think the Panel will suffice? Should I even do any basic upgrades like the samco hoses or the admittedly pretty looking Zero Sports upgraded pipe work? Even if these upgrades are over the top if they would provide any advantage such as keeping temps down or provide any sort of safety buffer then I will probably do them. I'd like to get near 300bhp but keep it usable and maintainable.
johnnyr6 Posted January 14, 2006 Posted January 14, 2006 Panel filter for you m8, go for the sti one, works well.
dipsy Posted January 14, 2006 Posted January 14, 2006 Is the sti panel filter better than the Green cotton filter ??
wrxmania Posted January 14, 2006 Posted January 14, 2006 I have the STI one, but in a rolling road test in Issue One of Scooby Magazine, the Green cotton filter came out best.
ANDYJDMSTI Posted January 14, 2006 Posted January 14, 2006 I had the STI one and achieved good results from it. As for the pipework........don't really see any need unless you are going for big power or for the tart look
dipsy Posted January 14, 2006 Posted January 14, 2006 Well i bought a green cotton filter for my sti .
st3ph3n Posted January 14, 2006 Author Posted January 14, 2006 Well the money saved on the CAI can be used for a bit of engine bay tartage with the zero sport pipe. See, not only do you guys cost me money on buying mods in the first place, but you save me money on buying the right mods.
fai17 Posted January 14, 2006 Posted January 14, 2006 It really depends on what you want m8. You will always wonder what your car will be like with a CAI,won't you. So go and try my car first to see what you think then make you own mind up. With a CAI you get its own advantage like more induction noise(which i love) and it's own psttt noise. So just come and look for me and try it for yourself As for power wise they are probably the same till you get on the open road
wilky Posted January 15, 2006 Posted January 15, 2006 << It really depends on what you want m8. You will always wonder what your car will be like with a CAI,won't you. So go and try my car first to see what you think then make you own mind up. With a CAI you get its own advantage like more induction noise(which i love) and it's own psttt noise. So just come and look for me and try it for yourself As for power wise they are probably the same till you get on the open road >> Okay Peter, sit down, take a deep breath and relax. Stephen, a cold air intake will not give you more "bolt on" power. What it will do is allow you to induct colder air so that when the car is REMAPPED it helps produce better results because the car is seeing colder air, which we all know is denser has more oxygen so burns better producing more power, However as Hi soob the villan pointed out unless you are going to be running over 350 bhp the financial burden of buying one for the results insnt worth it because it really wont have an effect unless you are pushing it and need every bit of help to keep your charge cool. However if you are hell bent on buying one I know a man in Edinburgh who makes them on a regular basis and would make you one for a fraction of the price of an APS or such like cold air induction. Callum W
jamie_wood Posted January 15, 2006 Posted January 15, 2006 Wilky, well put. All we need to do now is educate folk into the major down side of running VTA Dump valves without 3bar map sensors and we will be on the way to keeping more scoobies on the road and out of the repair shops
Edinburgh-Chris Posted January 15, 2006 Posted January 15, 2006 just to back Wilky up, the guy in Edinburgh actually manufactured mine custom to suit my spec. I will try and get some photo's up tomorrow to show you. I think i paid £175 or something similar. This unit is amazing and recommended by myself. my power FC will be mapped during Febraury so i hopefully will see a large difference. As things stand the now, there is a decent difference noticable even before the map. At the end of it all, its your money, just remember that if you are looking for any decent increase of power then remapping is the main route. Chris
jcscoob Posted January 15, 2006 Posted January 15, 2006 If i could change my CAI back to the air box i would do it in a miute, but cant coz FMIC hard pipe is right in the road Iv had a fair share of shat in the good old MAF depot !!
Gumball Posted January 15, 2006 Posted January 15, 2006 Stephen, The CAI was something that i wanted to get when i was aiming for the 350mark. The drilled and removable fogger with the tumble dryer hose aiming in near the filter doesnt make much of a difference, practically nothing. will help more cold air in but only keeping the chargetemp better for a few more seconds. Your choice at the end of the day. I know some of the WRX's that are over or near to 300 have them so maybe speak to someone like Bing or Irish Al and see what they think.
jamie_wood Posted January 15, 2006 Posted January 15, 2006 JC, It would be worth your while to try and make a box for the filter your running just now if you can. Try and sheild the cone from the under hood heat thats getting blasted onto it. I had the same problem with my FMIC and not being able to run a CAI system.The result was horrific charge temp readings. I got readings up to and above 25 &30 deg over ambient when sitting still or on slow roads until the car had picked up speed and the FMIC started to work. Even then I had Det on real hot days when using the car on sprints etc.
jamie_wood Posted January 15, 2006 Posted January 15, 2006 << Your choice at the end of the day. I know some of the WRX's that are over or near to 300 have them so maybe speak to someone like Bing or Irish Al and see what they think. >> Speak to Andy Forrest and he will tell you not to bother unless remapping to over 350 brake. Im sure he knows better than most going by his results
st3ph3n Posted January 15, 2006 Author Posted January 15, 2006 Good advice guys. I knew the advantages of a cold air intake over a regular one. I may be a relative technical noob but I am learning as I go along thanks to some great advice and knowledge gained on these very pages. Money, of this scale, is no object. The different between a good CAI (such as the APS which had been my choice), a panel filter or decent regular induction kit was negligible in the grand scheme of my project. Most or some of you are aware that my plans are to decat then remap. I was under the impression that sorting out the induction side of things would be required to maximise the benefits of this. I'm not after quick and nasty fixes. I've worked too damn hard to get into a position to own it so I'm not going to treat it like a Nova owner's halfords wet dream. It's my intention to 1) put aside the cash for this venture , once that's complete 2) get a slice of Andy F's time booked and 3) have the car modified near this date to include the decat, and any recommended modifications on the intake side. Then 4) Get it mapped of course. I have no intentions now or 99% likely in the future to go to equal length headers, swap for a bigger turbo, forged pistons etc. It's beyond my requirements for the car as a daily driver and occasion visitor to the kitty litter in knockhill when my ego gets the better of my driving abilities. So basically it comes down to - will the existing intake sytem with a green or STI panel filter hold back the car based on these plans? Place bets now.
jamie_wood Posted January 15, 2006 Posted January 15, 2006 I wont bet..I can confirm that a good panel Filter will do you well. Save your cash for someting you need
st3ph3n Posted January 15, 2006 Author Posted January 15, 2006 I really need some Ray's engineering Volk Racing LE37T Rims.
jamie_wood Posted January 15, 2006 Posted January 15, 2006 They not about £1200 for a set without rubber?
irish al Posted January 15, 2006 Posted January 15, 2006 << << Your choice at the end of the day. I know some of the WRX's that are over or near to 300 have them so maybe speak to someone like Bing or Irish Al and see what they think. >> Speak to Andy Forrest and he will tell you not to bother unless remapping to over 350 brake. Im sure he knows better than most going by his results >> This is indeed true and exactly what he told me, thats why i still have the standard box with an uprated panel filter. << << The different between a good CAI (such as the APS which had been my choice), a panel filter or decent regular induction kit was negligible in the grand scheme of my project. >> Difference between panel filter and CAI is probably arround £200. Was also advised to remove the cat in the uppipe on the wrx.
st3ph3n Posted January 15, 2006 Author Posted January 15, 2006 If you're lucky they are Jamie. I'll be needing 5 numbers and the bonus ball tonight if I want them. A boy can dream of the finest in japanese rims though. Thanks for that Al. Seals it I think.
jcscoob Posted January 15, 2006 Posted January 15, 2006 Jamie, the CAI is flexy pipe that comes of the MAF going throu the hole in the iner wing and goes down to inside the bumber with a cone a bit behind the brake dukt ! I was thinking on making it a hard pipe. Maybe the guy in edinburgh who makes them on a regular basis, would make one for me
irish al Posted January 15, 2006 Posted January 15, 2006 Jamie, any further explanitation on what a 3bar map sensors is and if i need one. Is it required if running a VTA with the car remaped ???
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