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Early this year I upgraded the front discs and pads on my WRX, while a noticable difference (in a good way) the brake feel was still a bit "off" and "spongy" and a droning sound occured when braking hard for more than a few seconds. After a while I noticed my rear discs werent quite as shiny as my fronts so came to the conclusion that the front brakes were working well, maybe a bit too well and the std. rear brakes werent keeping up.

Also have done quite a bit to the suspension (coilovers, arbs, drop links) but whenever switching on corners, ie. transferring weight, the back end used feel if it was lagging behind.

So a few small items fitted and adjusted this morning,

1. HEL braided brake lines from Scoobyworld, (although I was a bit wary if these would make much difference as my car is less than 3 years old)

2. Brakes bleeded and Dot 5.1 (non-silicone based) brake fluid put in.

3. Rear brake pads replaced with EBC red pads, have got DS2500's on front but couldnt justify costs for putting them on the rear, plus I tink I would have to upgrade rear discs if I put "too good" a pad on the rear.

4. While all up on the lift, adjusted rear ARB to middle hole.

Car now feels fantastic, droning gone form brakes, brake feel is fantastic, sponginess gone, braking on a corner seems less nerve racking too, and with the rear ARB adjusted, the handling feels like (dare I say it) finally like my old classic! (Im sure there will be commments on that one).

The only thing I forgot was to get new sliding pins for the calipers, but ended up cleaning them as good as new with some air tools that were handy at the time.

Im really impressed with the brake lines and reccomend these to anyone thinking about upgrading their brakes, try the hoses first before spending huge bucks on big discs and pads, this setup suits my needs spot on. Appreciate big pads and discs still needed for many people too though.

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Car now feels fantastic, droning gone form brakes, brake feel is fantastic, sponginess gone, braking on a corner seems less nerve racking too, and with the rear ARB adjusted, the handling feels like (dare I say it) finally like my old classic! (Im sure there will be commments on that one).

The only thing I forgot was to get new sliding pins for the calipers, but ended up cleaning them as good as new with some air tools that were handy at the time.

Sweeet! Good job! :(

Actually that sounds promising... I've had the same drone since I fitted grooved discs and Black DIamond pads to the front a year ago.. While working on the rear of the car recently discovered the rear pads are destroyed.. still plenty pad left but they have split and come away from the backing, litterally the pad surface just dropped off when removing :P Also discs are really badly corroded with lumpy bits and everything.. CAlipers still workinf though! So got a set of grooved discs for the rear and DS2500 pads arriving ;) Hoping to finally have some confidence in the brakes.. :angry: once everything is back together :P

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Actually that sounds promising... I've had the same drone since I fitted grooved discs and Black DIamond pads to the front a year ago.. While working on the rear of the car recently discovered the rear pads are destroyed.. still plenty pad left but they have split and come away from the backing, litterally the pad surface just dropped off when removing :P Also discs are really badly corroded with lumpy bits and everything.. CAlipers still workinf though! So got a set of grooved discs for the rear and DS2500 pads arriving :P Hoping to finally have some confidence in the brakes.. :( once everything is back together :angry:

How much were you for your discs and pads?

You doing brake hoses while your in there?

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Looking for some grooved discs/up-rated pads for my classic - any idea where's the best to buy from?

Think there will be few of us that go with the DS2500's, good wearing, not a lot of dust (they are worth the extra pennies). I did have Pagid pads before the DS2500's and tbh, they performed even better, but only lasted approx. 7-9 months. Disc wise, there a few choices, ive got the Tarox 40 Groove G88's and they are wearing spot on and taking a fair bit of abuse, especially since I just realised how bad the rear brakes were. Got my stuff from Scoobyworld and still arrived next day, up here in Elgin, very impressed.

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How much were you for your discs and pads?

You doing brake hoses while your in there?

£200 (fleebay of all places :( )

Had the brake hoses done at the start of last year.. Improoved spongeyness a bit.. But never been happy with the brakes on the car.. Nice and progressive, but lack that "bite" if you know what I mean... Hoping this will help.. was planning on trying DS2500 pads on the front and if that didn't work was goign to look at upgraded calipers... all very expensive.. :angry:

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Think there will be few of us that go with the DS2500's, good wearing, not a lot of dust (they are worth the extra pennies). I did have Pagid pads before the DS2500's and tbh, they performed even better, but only lasted approx. 7-9 months. Disc wise, there a few choices, ive got the Tarox 40 Groove G88's and they are wearing spot on and taking a fair bit of abuse, especially since I just realised how bad the rear brakes were. Got my stuff from Scoobyworld and still arrived next day, up here in Elgin, very impressed.

Cheers for the info Smiler AS :(

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Nice one Smiler ! I had almost the exact same set up on my bugeye. It was the best handling car I have owned to date as a result of those mods.

Tommo - here's an email from last time I bought classic brake parts for info.

Sent: 19 December 2008 13:45

To: ian@godspeedbrakes.co.uk

Subject: order >> brakes parts

Ian,

Please go ahead and provide the following ( assuming my pricing is correct ?) :-

1993 import WRX

1 set of rear vented discs @ £95

1 set of rear standard pads @ £35

1 set of front grooved discs 294mm @ £89

1 set of front Kevlar pads for the 4 pot Seat Leon Cupra R brembos @ £75

1 set of rear braided hoses + adapters for the 4 pot Seat Leon Cupra R brembos @ 4 x £17.50 = £70

Total Price is £364

Best Regards

Calum

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Had the brake hoses done at the start of last year.. Improoved spongeyness a bit.. But never been happy with the brakes on the car.. Nice and progressive, but lack that "bite" if you know what I mean...

Must admit, all "sponginess" (great technical term that everyone uses! lol! :( ) has gone completely, I only need to tap the pedal to feel the brakes coming on. I / We did have to bleed the brakes twice over though, first time we thought we done was still a little air in system somewhere after starting engine and short test drive with pedal travelling quite far down before anything happened. Also what fluid did you use, I pot in Dot 5.1 and made sure it was silicone free one, as ive heard the silicone element expands with heat, causing a bit of "ponginess".

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Also what fluid did you use, I pot in Dot 5.1 and made sure it was silicone free one, as ive heard the silicone element expands with heat, causing a bit of "ponginess".

Hmnn.. I used Millers 300Plus (DOT4 rated) as per Scoobyparts I think it was.. Supposed to be a pretty decent DOT4 fluid but does contain silicone..

I've flushed the brake system several times in seek of decent braking.. May invest in some decent DOT5.1 at somepoint if I'm still not happy.. What type/manufacturer of fluid did you use?

BTW - if anyone has a spare brake fluid reseviour cap lemme know! Looking for one to modify for use with power bleeder..

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Hmnn.. I used Millers 300Plus (DOT4 rated) as per Scoobyparts I think it was.. Supposed to be a pretty decent DOT4 fluid but does contain silicone..

I've flushed the brake system several times in seek of decent braking.. May invest in some decent DOT5.1 at somepoint if I'm still not happy.. What type/manufacturer of fluid did you use?

Ferrodo, non-silicone fuid,

As it says in ad, avoids spongy brake feel.

Ferrodo Brake Fluid

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Nice one Smiler ! I had almost the exact same set up on my bugeye. It was the best handling car I have owned to date as a result of those mods.

Tommo - here's an email from last time I bought classic brake parts for info.

Sent: 19 December 2008 13:45

To: ian@godspeedbrakes.co.uk

Subject: order >> brakes parts

Ian,

Please go ahead and provide the following ( assuming my pricing is correct ?) :-

1993 import WRX

1 set of rear vented discs @ £95

1 set of rear standard pads @ £35

1 set of front grooved discs 294mm @ £89

1 set of front Kevlar pads for the 4 pot Seat Leon Cupra R brembos @ £75

1 set of rear braided hoses + adapters for the 4 pot Seat Leon Cupra R brembos @ 4 x £17.50 = £70

Total Price is £364

Best Regards

Calum

Cheers mate,will be looking at this more tomorrow.

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