kaylz_555 Posted May 8, 2009 Posted May 8, 2009 (edited) It's in the question folks, We were just discussing the Hypertech charity event and noticed that there seems to be no "big guns" so to speak registered for it. Loving the idea of a 900bhp evo but what's the fastest or should I say the most powerful an Impreza can go to? Even when the engine is the same size how come the astra's...i mean er...evo's/skyline's can easily go into (ok well not easily) the 900's 1000's when Subaru's or more so - the impreza's are only in the 5-700's? Is it something to do with the boxer engine's being non-adaptable to crazy power? Any input is good - as it's annoying! Does anyone else think evo's remind you of Astra's/Vectra's? Kaylz + G Edited May 8, 2009 by kaylz_555
paul555sti Posted May 8, 2009 Posted May 8, 2009 No big guns!! I think other than Andy F's race car then some of the names on the list will have the most powerful cars in Scotland possibly.
kaylz_555 Posted May 8, 2009 Author Posted May 8, 2009 (edited) No big guns!!I think other than Andy F's race car then some of the names on the list will have the most powerful cars in Scotland possibly. Regardless of Andy F's car/s - I'm only going from what others have said i've no idea what power their running at. But surely if there's evo's at 900 and skyline's etc then surely Subaru's haven't really got a chance? Enlighten me... it's the same cubic capacity of engine! P.s. "Why" can't they go to 900 - 1000's? Cheers G Edited May 8, 2009 by kaylz_555
paul555sti Posted May 8, 2009 Posted May 8, 2009 Andy Napier at AWD has a 750 + BHP classic I forgot to mention awd
kaylz_555 Posted May 8, 2009 Author Posted May 8, 2009 (edited) This has got to be worth a watch (900 bhp) Edited May 8, 2009 by kaylz_555
thefastone Posted May 8, 2009 Posted May 8, 2009 You'll probably find that they CAN go to that power... but then... why would you really want to? To my mind, it would be uber unrelieable, would handle like crap, and would only serve as pub bragging rights... I'm pretty certain that you'd want something thats the best of both worlds, its powerful, AND goes round corners...
thewelsho Posted May 8, 2009 Posted May 8, 2009 You'll probably find that they CAN go to that power... but then... why would you really want to?To my mind, it would be uber unrelieable, would handle like crap, and would only serve as pub bragging rights... I'm pretty certain that you'd want something thats the best of both worlds, its powerful, AND goes round corners... Good point, or points
kaylz_555 Posted May 8, 2009 Author Posted May 8, 2009 (edited) I realize it wouldn't be feasible going from what I've seen on extremely powerful scoobies or cars in general but there's so many other make's out there that are on the road and handle OKish. So what's stopping Subaru's? I'm saying I've only heard of probabilities wth scoobies rather than actual productions of this sort of power.... Edited May 8, 2009 by kaylz_555
paul555sti Posted May 8, 2009 Posted May 8, 2009 Also look at the winner on Time Attack last year and the fact that Andy f's car is or was the fastest in the world. Unless you are building a car to compete then what is the point of spending all that money just to have the highest figures?
ANDYJDMSTI Posted May 8, 2009 Posted May 8, 2009 (edited) Is it something to do with the boxer engine's being non-adaptable to crazy power? so 5-700 bhp in a Scooby is not deemed as pretty crazy power nowadays? Also the last time i checked, Skylines do not have the same sized engines at Scoobys or Evos.........more like RB 26's (twin and single turbo variants)which are 2.6l usually upped to 2.7 - 2.8l strokers..............so using them as a comparison to Evos and Scoobys is like asking why a kids pushbike is not faster than an R6. My personal opinion is that the Evo engine is better than the boxer but it does not stir the soul like a boxer can..........i'd rather have less hp than an Evo but have all the drama of the noise you get from that flat 4!! Edited May 8, 2009 by ANDYJDMSTI
kaylz_555 Posted May 8, 2009 Author Posted May 8, 2009 You ever driven a subaru? I've got 2 mate and enough experience...obviously not reading the question so not much point in a response mate. Cheers
kaylz_555 Posted May 8, 2009 Author Posted May 8, 2009 Also look at the winner on Time Attack last year and the fact that Andy f's car is or was the fastest in the world. Unless you are building a car to compete then what is the point of spending all that money just to have the highest figures? The point in the dyno thing at Hypertech was/is to compete! and people were trying to get the most powerful scoobies on to compete against the other make's.... Thanks for the input from Andyjdmsti - suppose that explains a few things... So all in all basically the evo is more capable of being more powerful than an impreza because they have stronger engines but not the sound, you're saying. And I didn't mean 700 wasn't crazy power but I would say that 900 to the 1000's seems to fit the words!
ANDYJDMSTI Posted May 8, 2009 Posted May 8, 2009 No worries. In all honesty, the easiest answer to your question of "Most Powerful A Subaru Impreza Can Go Up To?, (BHP) How much is humanely/mechanically possible? is............How deep are your pockets?? You can buy alot of power for the right price but as alot of the guys running big power on here use their cars for running around in then you have to have a good balance of reliability/ driveability.
bobbyc Posted May 8, 2009 Posted May 8, 2009 A lot of these bigger power cars spend the majority of their time getting money spent repairing them cause they are broken, The horsepower heroes day is all about taking part for charity & it will be the combined horsepower of each group, Duncs dyno is not the most forgiving when it comes to peoples claimed figures & I've seen many dissapointed faces, where as a lot of scoobs taking part have been on this dyno. I think we'll do OK
craigdmcd Posted May 8, 2009 Posted May 8, 2009 The one I've always laughed at, is how one of the bigger horsepower producing engines is the Ford Cosworth engine, and it dates back to a bottom end from the Seventies . In answer to your question, I think maybe the biggest restriction to the power on a Scoob is the horizontally opposed cylinders that make the exhaust manifold and hence the turbo placement a bit of a nightmare from an engineer's point of view. I have absolutely nothing to back this up bar an opinion so don't ask me to justify it.
sparky_sj04 Posted May 8, 2009 Posted May 8, 2009 (edited) Loving the idea of a 900bhp evo but what's the fastest or should I say the most powerful an Impreza can go to?Even when the engine is the same size how come the astra's...i mean er...evo's/skyline's can easily go into (ok well not easily) the 900's 1000's when Subaru's or more so - the impreza's are only in the 5-700's? Is it something to do with the boxer engine's being non-adaptable to crazy power? A WRC car is limited to 300bhp, but has approx 650lb/ft of torque @3000rpm. Therefore power "comparisons" become pretty futile. I realise what you were asking but it's not quite as simple as a figure. As everyone has said, look at Andy F's race car, Andy N's race car, and of course The Gobstopper. When you see what these cars are doing in drag racing and Time Attack it becomes pointless to talk about who has the most power!! If you have enough cash you can pick a figure. As they say, power is for pub bragging rights, torque wins races...... Edited May 8, 2009 by sparky_sj04
st3ph3n Posted May 8, 2009 Posted May 8, 2009 The point in the dyno thing at Hypertech was/is to compete! and people were trying to get the most powerful scoobies on to compete against the other make's....Thanks for the input from Andyjdmsti - suppose that explains a few things... So all in all basically the evo is more capable of being more powerful than an impreza because they have stronger engines but not the sound, you're saying. And I didn't mean 700 wasn't crazy power but I would say that 900 to the 1000's seems to fit the words! If you want to rectify the situation for team subaru then feel free to stump up the 10 or 20 grand for mods to reach and sustain these numbers. Whether this sounds defeatest or not - I think there's a bit more financial clout (from the owners) in the evo tuning scene than there is in the scooby one at the moment.
kaylz_555 Posted May 8, 2009 Author Posted May 8, 2009 A WRC car is limited to 300bhp, but has approx 650lb/ft of torque @3000rpm. Therefore power "comparisons" become pretty futile. I realise what you were asking but it's not quite as simple as a figure. Cheers for the input mate.
the squiggle Posted May 8, 2009 Posted May 8, 2009 (edited) V and Flat configuration 4 cylinder engines tend to produce more natural torque than an equivelent capacity inline 4 woth similar bore and stroke Tony Rigoli, Roger Clark and AndyF all run estimated and confirmed in the Rigoli case 900 - 1000hp at the flywheel Couple of road cars in NZ run 1000hp set ups with a Flat6 being used to great effect I know of a car in Japan looking on course to burst 1200 hp out of a Flat 4 My opinion is that 900 - 1000hp Subaru's are out there, it is just we prefer to keep our wullies in our trousers instead of waving it about from the top of the town hall like the dark side do Edited May 8, 2009 by The Squiggle
4Hero Posted May 8, 2009 Posted May 8, 2009 the wee black one is 960bhp (power to weight), 0-60 in under 2 seconds
fai17 Posted May 9, 2009 Posted May 9, 2009 so what is your point? The funny thing is that we are slating ourselves! Do you know the cost involved in running/maintaining a car like these? Even at my spec i probably spent way more than the cost of my car.... Are you worried that we may be beaten at the charity event? If we do get humped then just let it be.It's getting involved and having a good time that counts
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