thefastone Posted March 12, 2008 Posted March 12, 2008 Yeah but didn't you knwo that government is roughly translated into "I've got all the money - no you cant have any"
imprezapete Posted March 12, 2008 Posted March 12, 2008 (edited) Well time has come to sell the car I think, I have been thinking about it since pertrol prices are going through the roof but this puts the iceing of the cake. Its over month of my free cash if it increases to over £300 for a 02 WRX... Sick and tired of it, I love the car but its just costing me too much for whats a daily commute for me. Time to tart it up and sell me thinks. A.97 With effect from 1 April 2009, and as set out in Table 8a, VED for cars, registered on or after 1 March 2001, will be reformed to include six new bands. From 1 April 2010, a new first year VED rate will be introduced. With effect from 1 April 2009, and as set out in Table 8b, the lower rate of VED for cars and light good vehicles registered before 2001 is frozen and the higher rate will rise by £15. With effect from 1 April 2009, the VED rate for light goods vehicles registered after 2001 will rise by £15. With effect from 1 April 2010, the VED rate for cars and light goods vehicles registered before 2001 will be increased in line with indexation. (35) Table 8A: Current Prices:----------Apr 1st 2009 Prices: A Up to 100 £0----------Up to 100 £0 B 101 – 120 £35--------101–110 £20 C 121 – 150 £120-------111–120 £30 D 151 – 165 £145-------121–130 £90 E 166 – 185 £170-------131–140 £110 F Over 186 £210--------141–150 £120 G Over 226 £400-------151–160 £150 H-------------------------161–170 £175 I-------------------------171–180 £205 J-------------------------181–200 £260 K-------------------------201–225 £300 L-------------------------226–255 £415 M-------------------------Over 255 £440 http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/news/nol/shared...pletereport.pdf Anyone got suggestions for a replacement then? Edited March 12, 2008 by ImprezaPete
iainc Posted March 12, 2008 Posted March 12, 2008 Em...210...? 400...? 455...? What cars you driving? my road tax was 180 this year, I only just paid it like 2 weeks ago... Well the 06 STi is in the top group, but we have a Leon Cupra TDi and it's cheap as fook to tax, so I look at it as being the same as two "normal" cars to tax IYKWIM... IIRC the Leon was £110 for the whole year.
sti pretender Posted March 13, 2008 Posted March 13, 2008 So how much do you think it will knock off the value of our cars, the fact no one will want to buy them.
iainc Posted March 13, 2008 Posted March 13, 2008 So how much do you think it will knock off the value of our cars, the fact no one will want to buy them. TBH, by the looks of things on the for sale sections of the various BBS's recently scoobs haven't really been selling anyway. TBH, it wasn't a reason I bought the STi anyway. I have no plans to get rid of mine, and unless petrol suddenly gets a LOT more expensive AND the tax gets real pricey I still can't see me getting rid of it either. For someone doing the "average" mileage (12k) then you are currently spending somewhere ITRO £3k-ish on petrol for a year, £300 for tax and whatever for insurance (I'm about £400-450) so I'd be somewhere in the region of £3500-4k in fuel, tax and insurance (before mods, etc ), adding a couple of hundred to the tax and even about a quid a gallon extra really isn't worth making the change 'cos the value of the car would have dropped so much (I expect). All Turbo'd scoobs will not be cheap to run, the difference in running costs between a mid 90's scoob and the worst CO2 offender will still probably only be ITRO £200-300 a year which is less than a quid per day or about £25 a month. When you are talking about performance cars it's FA really (and I'm not minted).
drb5 Posted March 13, 2008 Posted March 13, 2008 You can see the point though can't you? When people fail to buy as many heavily using petrol cars, the manufacturers will see this and realise they need to get more out of petrol and diesel engines. Just look at what BMW are managing....their X5 diesel is in band F. That's £190 cheaper to tax than any equivilent sized 4X4. By all means, it isn't great to have to pay more, but i think it's a good thing and hope the car makers can bring out more cars that are better for the environment AND have the go we take for granted. Oh and also the government get their finger out with the bioethanol.
st3ph3n Posted March 13, 2008 Author Posted March 13, 2008 I believe a 01-05 WRX (the 2.0) fits into the new K band at £300. Not sure of the numbers for the other models. If anyone has their spec sheets to hand post up the figures and get it worked out.
thefastone Posted March 13, 2008 Posted March 13, 2008 (edited) But then, by hitting older cars like this you really are punishing people that cant afford newer cars.... EVERYTHING is more expensive and the tax is just strangling... on top of the credit crunch, nearly half the population (ok I made that figure up) are in danger of loosing their homes already because of the state of the country's finances... I'm not against the principal of forcing the manufacturers hands, but really they shouldn't be hurting us to get to them... Edited March 13, 2008 by thefastone
drb5 Posted March 13, 2008 Posted March 13, 2008 How else can they get us to buy newer more economical cars though?
thewelsho Posted March 13, 2008 Posted March 13, 2008 How else can they get us to buy newer more economical cars though? Everybody sh4fts everybody... that's all it is. The latest garbage about climate change is nothing more that "sh4ft-tokens". These are used in varying degrees by whom ever in order to extract as much cash from the dim, unsuspecting puplic. The thing is, we are not as stupid as they think we are but there seems to be nothing that can be done. Iain above has the right attitude. When even it out over the course of the year, the increases, while a bitter pill to swallow are really not that crushing. That is the best way too look at it!
drb5 Posted March 13, 2008 Posted March 13, 2008 Agreed, but it's a viscious circle. If one person can't afford it, neither can a lot of other people and that then get's into the cost of the car depreciating further. I know not everyone cares about that, but there will always come a time when you come to sell a car and i'm sure it'll be a concern then. BMW have done the right thing with the efficiency of their engines and Audi is following suit. Over the next 2-3 years, i think most of the manufacturers will be bringing out greener cars, so it shouldn't spell the end of a lot of high performance cars on the market....it'll just mean the older ones will lose a lot more than they are just now. Just look at the depreciation of the newages....around 15k for a 2006 Hawkeye now, bargain!
iainc Posted March 13, 2008 Posted March 13, 2008 Agreed, but it's a viscious circle.If one person can't afford it, neither can a lot of other people and that then get's into the cost of the car depreciating further. I know not everyone cares about that, but there will always come a time when you come to sell a car and i'm sure it'll be a concern then. BMW have done the right thing with the efficiency of their engines and Audi is following suit. Over the next 2-3 years, i think most of the manufacturers will be bringing out greener cars, so it shouldn't spell the end of a lot of high performance cars on the market....it'll just mean the older ones will lose a lot more than they are just now. Just look at the depreciation of the newages....around 15k for a 2006 Hawkeye now, bargain! Rightly or wrongly I assume that once I've bought a car I've spent (or lst) the lot. Only once I come round to selling the car do I wonder about how much I'd get for it.
C_WRX Posted March 13, 2008 Posted March 13, 2008 Healthy to have a good moan. Dare we even hint at enjoying ourselves, cars / drink (be safe kids and enjoy those two separately), and it's taxed. I think they feared a revolt if petrol went up again, although it is an easy tax for them as we need it...take pulblic transport, not as easy as it sounds if you live in a rural area, I'd have to take 2 buses and a train adding about 1.5 hours on to my commute each way if I tried and that's if they are on time / turn up. Here's a thought : commission an independent (at huge cost of course) look in to more closely the spending of MP's. Yes they've had a lot of bad press lately but it highlights the fact that the way they receive money, outwith their salary, really has been set up, by themselves I understand, to be taken advantage of. Some of the written stories are unbelievable. Only way they are ever going to listen is with our vote when the time finally comes round.
drb5 Posted March 13, 2008 Posted March 13, 2008 Rightly or wrongly I assume that once I've bought a car I've spent (or lst) the lot. Only once I come round to selling the car do I wonder about how much I'd get for it. The perfect way to be! I'm just not like that myself, but then no 2 two people are indeed ever the same. I think that possibly DOES come down to income though. If you can afford to lose 10k in a couple of years thats fine, but i know i couldn't. I dare say i would probably be arguing a bit different if i still owned a scoob, but i know for a fact i'd be considering selling it. There was a good thread on SNET just there about if it's really necessary to have big power. We never really use it as much as we should and i dare say, the cars we have the most fun in are small engined, great handling(or maybe not even that great handling!) wee cars that in a straight line, could tear a blade of grass. I know thats the case with me... We pay all this money for big fast cars, but can't use them to their potential unless you take it to the track, but how often do we all do that anyways?
iainc Posted March 13, 2008 Posted March 13, 2008 The perfect way to be! I'm just not like that myself, but then no 2 two people are indeed ever the same. I think that possibly DOES come down to income though. If you can afford to lose 10k in a couple of years thats fine, but i know i couldn't. I dare say i would probably be arguing a bit different if i still owned a scoob, but i know for a fact i'd be considering selling it. There was a good thread on SNET just there about if it's really necessary to have big power. We never really use it as much as we should and i dare say, the cars we have the most fun in are small engined, great handling(or maybe not even that great handling!) wee cars that in a straight line, could tear a blade of grass. I know thats the case with me... We pay all this money for big fast cars, but can't use them to their potential unless you take it to the track, but how often do we all do that anyways? I can't afford to "lose" money, but I've spent it on the car. Same way that if I buy a big telly, guitar, lawnmower, etc that I've spent that money too. I could maybe make some of it back again if I sold the things but I don't want to. Same goes for the car. I need one to go to/from work anyway, and I like something that handles/goes as well. Can't afford to have to run many different cars so need to pick one that does it all, scoob is the perfect choice.
~ ~ Cal ~~ Posted March 13, 2008 Posted March 13, 2008 Fack em' all ! I'll be burning the motion lotion till it runs out......agreed the tax situation is not healthy but................ Why do they not raise the price of Whisky by £1 a bottle and a pint by 50p. People aren't going to stay at home as a consequence of a piffling 4 penny rise on a pot of disco juice... Alcohol is a luxury and petrol is essential ( pleasure trips aside !) - I think the NHS/Health debate is very weak. They make a mint in taxing bevvy so they are scared to hike things by too much. At work but could type all day on this issue !
iainc Posted March 13, 2008 Posted March 13, 2008 Fack em' all ! I'll be burning the motion lotion till it runs out......agreed the tax situation is not healthy but................Why do they not raise the price of Whisky by £1 a bottle and a pint by 50p. People aren't going to stay at home as a consequence of a piffling 4 penny rise on a pot of disco juice... Alcohol is a luxury and petrol is essential ( pleasure trips aside !) - I think the NHS/Health debate is very weak. They make a mint in taxing bevvy so they are scared to hike things by too much. At work but could type all day on this issue ! Just did this... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/629/629/7290230.stm and found that despite the hike in fuel duty and car tax we're supposedly still gonna be a couple of hundred quid a year better off... it's always something to go towards the remap I suppose
C_WRX Posted March 13, 2008 Posted March 13, 2008 Just did this... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/629/629/7290230.stm and found that despite the hike in fuel duty and car tax we're supposedly still gonna be a couple of hundred quid a year better off... it's always something to go towards the remap I suppose Good find. If it's correct, doesn't feel quite as bad. Come October, wait till the fuel costs go up and then I'll re-try it.
sandycam Posted March 13, 2008 Posted March 13, 2008 only thing is these account for the next year from now, Before the big tax rises in 2009
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