Wallace Performance Mapping Session

[clutdav]

Howdy Everyone,

I have just got back from Wallace Performance having had my Tek3 custom map tweeked for the parts that Wuz managed to install for me last week.  The new additions were:

1.  Prodrive Sports Downpipe (high flow cat) - wrapped,

2. H&S Decat Centre Section (to remove the second cat),

3. Walbro 255 Fuel Pump.

Firstly Wuz did a fantastic job of installing all the parts on the car last week - and fitting me in considering the latest addition to the Hulme household.  Thanks for all your help Russ you did a top job.

Big thanks to Russ at Wallace Performance for fitting me in this week for the mapping session.  He took the time to go through all the changes that were being made to the car and explain them.  Ta for filling the oil up and letting me sit in on the mapping session.

A couple of things to note on the graphs are that the waste gate duty cycles were changed and so the advance multiplier was reset to 8 - meaning for the runs the timing was not as advanced as it could have been and so the power and torque are slightly down on what they will be after the ecu has re-learnt.  Also the loading was different on the torque run hence the reason she appears to come in latter than the previous map - not the case though.  Plus she was running 97ron super unleaded fuel so there is more to come from her there aswell

She pulls fantastically from 3300rpm all the way through to redline.

Power = 315 bhp, up 16bhp on the last stage.

Torque = 322 ft.lbs, up 36ft.lbs on the last stage.

This is down on what I had expected but the map is very safe, the fuelling is spot on and the boost spiking/fluctuating in 5th and 6th is dramatically reduced.  All in all the gain in torque is great and the car drives really well.

Power Curve

Torque Curve

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[philip_wilson]

Nice one Dave bet your a happy chappy now []

[clutdav]

It's a mixed feeling. I am glad that the car made some good gains in torque but it is a little disappointing in terms of bhp.  Never mind she is safe.

Dave

[craig mac]

It's a mixed feeling. I am glad that the car made some good gains in torque but it is a little disappointing in terms of bhp.  Never mind she is safe.

Dave

Torque is where its at Dave ma Man []

Safe what is safe? Explain this word to me? LOL[]Kidding

No seriously good to see your happy, []

Craig

 

[andrew_forrest]

 A couple of things to note on the graphs are that the waste gate duty cycles were changed and so the advance multiplier was reset to 8 - meaning for the runs the timing was not as advanced as it could have been and so the power and torque are slightly down on what they will be after the ecu has re-learnt.

 

Thats strange ? With a light load run, these ECU's will learn the advance multiplier within 30 seconds from a reset ? They don't need any longer.

 

Andy

[fai17]

That's not too bad figures at all......G.mac made 350bhp and 310 torque but running full 3" decat and APS CAI.

So your bhp maybe a wee bit down from his because of the exhaust but you have more torque

[clutdav]

Ta for the positive comments guys.  The torque increase is really noticeable and she does pull very well now - not quite in Craig Mac's teritory but quick none the less.  In terms of in gear driveability the car is transformed with the mods that Wuz installed for me due to the 36ft.lbs torque increase over the last level of tune.  Russ at Wallace Performance gave me the choice of either keeping the high level of torque or reducing that to give more bhp - so in the end I thought that for the type of driving I do the torque would come in handy.

Hopefully with a tank of V-Power and the ecu re-learnt (increasing the advance multiplier) she should release a few more ponies and ft.lbs of torque - so bring on the next rolling road day............[]

All I can say is that I have had a very positive experience again using Wallace Performance - Russ really does take his time and has no problems explaining the mapping options to you.

So then Phil what mods you got planned?????

Dave

[craig mac]

so bring on the next rolling road day............[]

 

Dave

Dave.

As i have mentioned before m8 each rolling road can give you varying figures, as they can be set up to read high or low, depends on the set up and operator.

This in turn can give you varied changes in figures from one set of rollers to another.

Just a wee heads up m8[], just incease you go on someone elses rollers and dont meet that[], or pehaps even better the figures you have recorded at Wallace[].

Bet your still smiling though[], i am am still on perma grin mode since the 19th.....until i get bored[]LOL

Craig

ps where do you see the 322 figure?

 

[andrew_forrest]

Russ at Wallace Performance gave me the choice of either keeping the high level of torque or reducing that to give more bhp - so in the end I thought that for the type of driving I do the torque would come in handy.

 Dave

 

Sorry if you think I'm being picky here Dave but I can't sit back and listen to someone being told crap by people who 'should' know better.

You appear to be quoting power from run 3 and torque from run 2 ? what did you actually end up with ??

Regarding torque and power, it shouldn't be an either/or option. The purpose of mapping is to take the time to safely maximise both, this may take 10+ runs and then would need to be refined on the road afterwards.

Your brief torque peak on the graph is clearly due to an overboost spike on spool up, genuine sustainable torque would have been maintained over a greater rpm range.

 

Andy

[philip_wilson]

So then Phil what mods you got planned?????

Dave

Well Dave I’m just

waiting for all stage one part to be delivered [] and have started to pricing stage

two bits, I’m hoping to get all stage one parts fitted before Crail and stage

two work will be done in the next month or two. I’m still thinking about stage

three mods and a possible [] 2.5 conversion but that won’t be till next year.

Stage one (Away

to start fitting)

3” Downpipe

3” Decat center

section & back box

Panel filter

Uprated spark plugs

Fuel Pressure

regulator

Uprater fuel pump

Samco Turbo hose

Remap (might wait

till stage 2 bit arrive and are fitted)

Stage two

Headers

Sti Intercooler

Bigger Turbo (not

sure what one yet)

Uprated Injectors

Remap

 

[craig mac]

So then Phil what mods you got planned?????

Dave

Well Dave I’m just waiting for all stage one part to be delivered [] and have started to pricing stage two bits, I’m hoping to get all stage one parts fitted before Crail

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Is Wuz not away in Tuesday m8?

Craig

[duncan_stephen]

So then Phil what mods you got planned?????

Dave

Well Dave I’m just waiting for all stage one part to be delivered [] and have started to pricing stage two bits, I’m hoping to get all stage one parts fitted before Crail

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Is Wuz not away in Tuesday m8?

Craig

 

I'm heading out there tonight and he defo said he's away on Tuesday.

[philip_wilson]

So then Phil what mods you got planned?????

Dave

Well Dave I’m just waiting for all stage one part to be delivered [] and have started to pricing stage two bits, I’m hoping to get all stage one parts fitted before Crail

 

Is Wuz not away in Tuesday m8?

Craig

Craig,

I don't know what to do now [:'(]

[craig mac]

 

 

 

 The purpose of mapping is to take the time to safely maximise both, this may take 10+ runs and then would need to be refined on the road afterwards.

 

 

Andy

AND A FULL TANK OF FUEL []

Craig Still smiling[]

[duncan_stephen]

Phil,

 

What model of scoob do you have. Sounds like your heading down the same road I'm heading towards.

What route you going down for the Map. Flash or Power FC?

 

 

[philip_wilson]

Phil,

 

What model of scoob do you have. Sounds like your heading down the same road I'm heading towards.

What route you going down for the Map. Flash or Power FC?

 

 

Its a MY99 UK Turbo m8. I'm now looking to get a Ecutek remap By _ _ _ _ / _  []

[Russs]

Sorry if you think I'm being picky here Dave but I can't sit back and listen to someone being told crap by people who 'should' know better.

You appear to be quoting power from run 3 and torque from run 2 ? what did you actually end up with ??

Regarding torque and power, it shouldn't be an either/or option. The purpose of mapping is to take the time to safely maximise both, this may take 10+ runs and then would need to be refined on the road afterwards.

Your brief torque peak on the graph is clearly due to an overboost spike on spool up, genuine sustainable torque would have been maintained over a greater rpm range.

 

Andy

 

Andy, you are jumping to conclusions here without knowing all the facts.

Please don't, I wouldn't do that to any other "tuner", let alone you.

Dave has had every part of his map changes explained, and indeed was involved in choosing what characteristics he wanted from the car. He will even confirm that I spoke to Mervyn at ecutek too.

As far as I am concerned, the customer is fully informed and happy. End of.

[herbie]

At least you have one happy customer.

I got my car back from you guys with a melted engine.

 

[craig mac]

At least you have one happy customer.

I got my car back from you guys with a melted engine.

 

[] OMG, And the building is still standing?

What happened Herbie?

Craig

[duncan_stephen]

Saw your car being rebuilt at Japerformance Herbie. Didn't actually know that it was said garage that had caused the problem.

[herbie]

Craig I touch goats

[craig mac]

Herbie Right back at Ye

Craig

[st3ph3n]

Gents, can we keep this on topic and factual please.

Not accusing anyone of anything yet, but you all know the score.

[euan_r]

Stage one (Away

to start fitting)

3” Downpipe

3” Decat center

section & back box

Panel filter

Uprated spark plugs

Fuel Pressure

regulator

Uprater fuel pump

Samco Turbo hose

Remap (might wait

till stage 2 bit arrive and are fitted)

Their a easy tae de min apart fae remap bitty. I ge ya a hand if yer needin. Deen it ahh afore apart fae fpr. get en o them rip off carbon rings ordered for the exhaust first though. unless of course you were being sercastic tae craig min, ficking hard kenning we oot spiken tae folk.

[Russs]

Gents, can we keep this on topic and factual please.

Not accusing anyone of anything yet, but you all know the score.

 

Thank you for that.

I suspect this thread is likely to be closed anyway, considering Stephens comments, but for what it is worth, their are  always two sides. Engines break all of the time. They are machines, machines have a limited life, particularly if they are not well maintained or operated beyond their normal parameters.