Modification, Can you, Will you?

[22B]

Hi and best regards to all,

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I have been around Subaru’s for a few years now and have owned 5 including this present model. In between Subaru’s an E46 M3, CClass Merc, and a 300bhp <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />

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which my wife now uses as her daily driver.

 

Can’t explain why I’m back to Subaru, you just seem to miss them, none more so than No 276  “22B”. After an altercation with a white van man, I believe that 276 is back in fine fettle and up for sale.

 

Scooby No 5 is a MY99 WR Sport with every possible Prodrive extra that was available at the time. The records show a retail price of  31k!.

 

This car was owned from new by Prodrive and was used as a development car for future models “I’m still waiting to hear back from Prodrive to confirm what level of testing/development the car was used for and how may time times they ragged it to an inch of it’s life!!.

 

The car has covered a mere 68k and the records show this to be accurate, although the steering wheel seems pretty worn, probably due to the car spending a good part of it’s life getting chucked about during it’s Prodrive ownership.

 

As the car has no warranty and probably doesn’t pull as briskly as she once did, I think it’s time for some mild tuning, just to give her a wee lift.

 

400-450bhp with an equal portion of torque is what’s called for, to make a fast road car with track day potential.

 

There are some issues with doing this to the car, one being I know absolutely f***all about cars. Thats’not to say I don’t know a crank shaft from a prop shaft, I just mean a spanner work is best left to those who possess the art of mechanical fettling. And mapping left to the boffins who understand boffiness!. I have none of these skills! and care not to break nails and bust knuckles!, nor do I wish to understand hexadecimal  or binary code’s or anything more complicated that can’t be worked out on a “NONE” scientific calculator.

 

Most of you have heard of the site www.22b.com , anyone who hasn’t should take a look. The simplest of post is met with more information that contained in encyclopaedia Britannica. Honestly some of the post are mind blowingly complex and only the very well versed will have a clue what the hell they are on about.

 

Well enough of beating around the proverbial shrubbery, I need the right person to take on the project from start to finish, getting what I want from the car and  making the thing happen, there is no way on GOD’S earth I can do this without  the skill’s of  an experienced tuning body.

 

My question is thus!. Is there a person that  can/will take this on and see it to it’s conclusion?

 

[RS Grant]

Welcome to the site mate, and congrats on your choice of past and current cars!! [H]

Here are a few of the places that I've read of doing decent big power, large torque conversions...... []

Scoobyclinic:

Tel: 01246 590 807

www.scoobyclinic.com

Greersport:

Tel: 01505 683388

www.greersport.com

GrahamGoodeRacing:

Tel: 0116 244 0080

http://www.grahamgoode.com/

Cheers,

Grant

[22B]

Thank's Grant

Wil have a look at those site's.....

[scoobyjim]

is this the car that was up for sale at ian greaves in falkirk?? if so i test drove it the day they took it in, wanted far too much money for it though, £9995 stupid money for an s plate even with those mods.  was very quick though, shame about the rear lights. enjoy.

[fai17]

Greersport for me[]

[scoobaroo]

Hi there buddy, good to see you back in the Scoob fold.

Andy F. down in Port Seton would be the man i would be making my first port of call.

If your lookin for serious power he`s second to none !!

Where in Broxy you from ?

I`m from Harthill, not far from you, thru there often at m8s up in 3 mile town.

p.s. look out for the Lothian meets !! []

[john_robertson]

Hey Chris,

Heard you were back in the fold [] I was talking to Gav and he mentioned you had bought the Prodrive car.

IMO you might be asking too much out of it for a daily driver, that's of you plan on sticking with the 2lt bottom end that is, IMO go for 350'ish.

 

Scoobaro - what Lothian meets haven't heard of any for a while?

 

John.

 

[scoobaroo]

Ask Spooks, hes the R.O.

Theyre usually beginning of the month.

Glasgow 1 on Thurs. if  you fancy it, should be a good run, so im told []

[flat4phil]

nor do I wish to understand hexadecimal  or binary code’s or anything more complicated that can’t be worked out on a “NONE” scientific calculator.

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That's a pretty good starting block....if you know the rudimentary basis upon which electronic information is created and translated in the 'mapping' process - there is more to you than you perhaps think?

Andy Forrest would be a very good person to take up your reigns.

[22B]

Hi John

 

It's not a daily driver, I'm also not to bothered if I have to change the bottom end plus add all the additional parts, just need the right bod to help me!

 

Cheers

 

Chris

[G.Mac]

Talk to Willky, Greersport made him a stonking engine prob arround the 500bhp mark but no one knows yet (I think)

And also talk to Andy Forrest as he will certanly point you in the right direction

Graeme

[paddy247]

Might as well plug AWD MOTORSPORT in Perth to. 01738 633336 www.awdmotorsport.co.uk

They build fast road Imprezas Evos and Pulsars mainly, but all jap performace veichles worked on, theres more than  few guys on here who have had engine rebuilds and tweeks done by them.

[22B]

IMO you might be asking too much out of it for a daily driver, that's of you plan on sticking with the 2lt bottom end that is, IMO go for 350'ish.

 

John.

 

Hi Again John,

Lets say I would settle for 350 (ish), how do I go about getting this kind of power?, What will I need? Here is what I came up with.......

Gruppe GT spec headers (With up pipe)

Full s/s 3" exhaust (no cats)

Fuel pump & fuel reg

20g turbo (Andy F)

Front mount IC (Harvey) or other equal.

Intake system (Cone filter or like) -Will this mean I will have to isolate it from the engine comparment due to warm air intake?

Injectors (perhaps pink STI)- (or rewoked ones from Andy)

 

Any comments are welcome...

 

Chris

[wilky]

How much are you preopared to spend is the question. You want 450 on paper horses or 450 with the torque to match horses?

Are you staying with a standard bottom end or are you going forged pistons and rods to make the 450 with a bit of leeway and not on the limit?

Yoiu will need to change turbos to get over 350bhp

Once your up there with the torque, how long is the gearbox going to last?

What ecu are you going to use and who is going to map it? How much will all this cost?

TMIC or FMIC? Lag or no lag? Money once again to cool the charge to get the horses

Injectors

FPR

Then brakes if its not got prodrive alcons cos you cannot stop it anymore.

Anything over 350bhp and you will need a 3inch exhaust bore or you will strangle it, and a decat, and a down pipe

Money money money.

Then you start getting paranoid about other peoples mods being quicker than yours so you start cutting the bits off the car you dont need to reduce the weight, chuck out the interior, and spend 4 weeks chipping off the soundproofing, you cut the guts out your doors and the crash bars as well so your fecked if you get t boned, but its lost you another 15kg,

You start skulking around industrial estates looking for someone who will sell you methanol so you can run the ingnition advance that you need, it takes over your life, you always waiting for a part of looking for a part.

Its all downhill from there.

 

I love it.

[22B]

How much are you preopared to spend is the question. You want 450 on paper horses or 450 with the torque to match horses?

Are you staying with a standard bottom end or are you going forged pistons and rods to make the 450 with a bit of leeway and not on the limit?

Yoiu will need to change turbos to get over 350bhp

Once your up there with the torque, how long is the gearbox going to last?

What ecu are you going to use and who is going to map it? How much will all this cost?

TMIC or FMIC? Lag or no lag? Money once again to cool the charge to get the horses

Injectors

FPR

Then brakes if its not got prodrive alcons cos you cannot stop it anymore.

Anything over 350bhp and you will need a 3inch exhaust bore or you will strangle it, and a decat, and a down pipe

Money money money.

Then you start getting paranoid about other peoples mods being quicker than yours so you start cutting the bits off the car you dont need to reduce the weight, chuck out the interior, and spend 4 weeks chipping off the soundproofing, you cut the guts out your doors and the crash bars as well so your fecked if you get t boned, but its lost you another 15kg,

You start skulking around industrial estates looking for someone who will sell you methanol so you can run the ingnition advance that you need, it takes over your life, you always waiting for a part of looking for a part.

Its all downhill from there.

 

I love it.

Don't worry so much aout the "Money" as I was planning to use my own "Money" and not your "Money". I'm looking for people who can give there constructive comments rather worry about what I need to spen to achieve the "Goal".

Whilst I don't have a "Money" tree I will pay what is needed to get the job done. I only bought the car with one purpose, and that was to tune it. As said earlier if I have to, I will change the bottom end and buy the other parts needed. I just need someone to put it all together. The car is not a daily driver it's mearly a project/hobby/fun car, used at the weekend or trackday.

Any takers?

If I have to buy a set of spanners and a torque wrench,  there will be a very scary Scoob on the road. (lol)

 

Chris

 

[john_robertson]

Hi Chris,

 

What you've listed looks like a good selection of parts for that type of power, now comes the really nasty bit [6] how do you want the car to drive? do you want a mad high boost car that has laggy response or would you like a car thats got a good spread of power through out the rev band?? if the second is more your choice and you don't plan any further mods for a while it might be worth downsizing the 20G to something that comes on boost sooner, that way you will have a more driveable car. Naturally some of this can get tuned through the map also.

 

John.

 

ps I think Andy F does his own FMIC also now

 

[wilky]

How much are you preopared to spend is the question. You want 450 on paper horses or 450 with the torque to match horses?

Are you staying with a standard bottom end or are you going forged pistons and rods to make the 450 with a bit of leeway and not on the limit?

Yoiu will need to change turbos to get over 350bhp

Once your up there with the torque, how long is the gearbox going to last?

What ecu are you going to use and who is going to map it? How much will all this cost?

TMIC or FMIC? Lag or no lag? Money once again to cool the charge to get the horses

Injectors

FPR

Then brakes if its not got prodrive alcons cos you cannot stop it anymore.

Anything over 350bhp and you will need a 3inch exhaust bore or you will strangle it, and a decat, and a down pipe

Money money money.

Then you start getting paranoid about other peoples mods being quicker than yours so you start cutting the bits off the car you dont need to reduce the weight, chuck out the interior, and spend 4 weeks chipping off the soundproofing, you cut the guts out your doors and the crash bars as well so your fecked if you get t boned, but its lost you another 15kg,

You start skulking around industrial estates looking for someone who will sell you methanol so you can run the ingnition advance that you need, it takes over your life, you always waiting for a part of looking for a part.

Its all downhill from there.

 

I love it.

Don't worry so much aout the "Money" as I was planning to use my own "Money" and not your "Money". I'm looking for people who can give there constructive comments rather worry about what I need to spen to achieve the "Goal".

Whilst I don't have a "Money" tree I will pay what is needed to get the job done. I only bought the car with one purpose, and that was to tune it. As said earlier if I have to, I will change the bottom end and buy the other parts needed. I just need someone to put it all together. The car is not a daily driver it's mearly a project/hobby/fun car, used at the weekend or trackday.

Any takers?

If I have to buy a set of spanners and a torque wrench,  there will be a very scary Scoob on the road. (lol)

 

Chris

 

 

It was actually a lighthearted look at what most of us on here spend most of out time, and most of our money doing, and I can assure you, you would have to prize my money from my cold dead fingers, it was by no means non constructive and if you took the defensive pose there which you obviously did then thats your problem.

If you are from Broxburn then I know a man in Rosslyn who can build you a bullet proof engine to the price you name, he can also help with turbos, exhausts intercoolers injectors etc etc.

He is not a buisness but an enthusiast who comes highly recommended,

He also makes big brake kits.

And he is an engineer not a dabler or a member of the 555 pavement modification squad.

If your interested PM me and Ill pass you his details.

Callum W

[johnnyr6]

I do all my own work to my car but if there's something outwith my capabilities i'd only let bill (greersport) or andy f. near it.

 

Wilky has used a few guys to get his car to where it is (and it's awesome) so he knows who's good and who's not.

[22B]

How much are you preopared to spend is the question. You want 450 on paper horses or 450 with the torque to match horses?

Are you staying with a standard bottom end or are you going forged pistons and rods to make the 450 with a bit of leeway and not on the limit?

Yoiu will need to change turbos to get over 350bhp

Once your up there with the torque, how long is the gearbox going to last?

What ecu are you going to use and who is going to map it? How much will all this cost?

TMIC or FMIC? Lag or no lag? Money once again to cool the charge to get the horses

Injectors

FPR

Then brakes if its not got prodrive alcons cos you cannot stop it anymore.

Anything over 350bhp and you will need a 3inch exhaust bore or you will strangle it, and a decat, and a down pipe

Money money money.

Then you start getting paranoid about other peoples mods being quicker than yours so you start cutting the bits off the car you dont need to reduce the weight, chuck out the interior, and spend 4 weeks chipping off the soundproofing, you cut the guts out your doors and the crash bars as well so your fecked if you get t boned, but its lost you another 15kg,

You start skulking around industrial estates looking for someone who will sell you methanol so you can run the ingnition advance that you need, it takes over your life, you always waiting for a part of looking for a part.

Its all downhill from there.

 

I love it.

Don't worry so much aout the "Money" as I was planning to use my own "Money" and not your "Money". I'm looking for people who can give there constructive comments rather worry about what I need to spen to achieve the "Goal".

Whilst I don't have a "Money" tree I will pay what is needed to get the job done. I only bought the car with one purpose, and that was to tune it. As said earlier if I have to, I will change the bottom end and buy the other parts needed. I just need someone to put it all together. The car is not a daily driver it's mearly a project/hobby/fun car, used at the weekend or trackday.

Any takers?

If I have to buy a set of spanners and a torque wrench,  there will be a very scary Scoob on the road. (lol)

 

Chris

 

 

It was actually a lighthearted look at what most of us on here spend most of out time, and most of our money doing, and I can assure you, you would have to prize my money from my cold dead fingers, it was by no means non constructive and if you took the defensive pose there which you obviously did then thats your problem.

If you are from Broxburn then I know a man in Rosslyn who can build you a bullet proof engine to the price you name, he can also help with turbos, exhausts intercoolers injectors etc etc.

He is not a buisness but an enthusiast who comes highly recommended,

He also makes big brake kits.

And he is an engineer not a dabler or a member of the 555 pavement modification squad.

If your interested PM me and Ill pass you his details.

Callum W

I accept your post as being "Lighthearted"[] please do likewise of mine. As many people who know me in person, I am a very light hearted type of guy and hate's conflict with abode.

But I have to ask you this!, WTF is the 555 pavement modification squad? (lol)[]

[colin_ross]

Wilky has used a few guys

Never a truer word spoken. []

[wrxmania]

lol []

[22B]

lol []

 

How's u Brian..?

[wrxmania]

Well thanks Chris - and yourself?

Nice to have you "back on da scene"...

Brian []

[22B]

Fine mate, Glad to be back in a scoob, the hill's are alive with the sound of music, my music.....

[]

[drb5]

Have PM'd you on 22b Chris.