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Scottish Scoobies Shootout 29th Aug 2010

grant@AWD

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terzo neil

terzo neil

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if cars running in same bhp bracket, times should be close, down to driver skill

if someone enters a higher powered car in a low power bracket, it will stick out like a sore thumb according the times posted, unless he is sand bagging quite alot

RA Dunk

RA Dunk

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if cars running in same bhp bracket, times should be close, down to driver skill

if someone enters a higher powered car in a low power bracket, it will stick out like a sore thumb according the times posted, unless he is sand bagging quite alot

People could easily take it easy through out the space of the day only to unleash it on the last run to take a win and then say they got lucky or had a perfect run, easily done IMO

colin_ross

colin_ross

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you will know whose running more power than he should be, will be easy to spot

Then what?

If you challenged me you would have nowt to back it up and neither would I as nobody knows how much power my car makes.

sti pretender

sti pretender

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Reading all the posts the time classes seem the fairest. Hard to make sure you sandbag and stay in one class.

Last time I run a 13.2, with less fuel, no spare wheel and better traction I reckon I could get close to 13 but could edge into the high 12s but to get close to 13 I'll need to go all out, there is no way I could control my run to ensure I win the 13 class.

Splitting the 13 to 13.5 would allow more competition and more interest.

Also if a 600bhp car has issues and isn't running right there is no chance of winning anything if based on bhp but if you can still run but only manage 12s then there is still of winning something with the time classes.

Another factor is RR produce different figure up 40 bhp difference so the driver may not know his accurate bhp. If we go with mods how do you know what's in an engine or if the car is mapped. 99% of people will be open but you will get the odd 1 or 2.

Keep it simple save arguements.

fai17

fai17

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if cars running in same bhp bracket, times should be close, down to driver skill

if someone enters a higher powered car in a low power bracket, it will stick out like a sore thumb according the times posted, unless he is sand bagging quite alot

So what you are saying is that the classes should be set by times and not power!!!

To simplify things slightly at least i know what class i'll be in...class 1 11sec along with Colin and Chris

Btw i can't tell you what power my car will be making unless i RR it and i wouldn't want to win the prize for being in the wrong class.

Lets just keep it simply :rotfl:

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BalliSTIc

BalliSTIc

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Reading all the posts the time classes seem the fairest. Hard to make sure you sandbag and stay in one class.

Last time I run a 13.2, with less fuel, no spare wheel and better traction I reckon I could get close to 13 but could edge into the high 12s but to get close to 13 I'll need to go all out, there is no way I could control my run to ensure I win the 13 class.

Splitting the 13 to 13.5 would allow more competition and more interest.

Also if a 600bhp car has issues and isn't running right there is no chance of winning anything if based on bhp but if you can still run but only manage 12s then there is still of winning something with the time classes.

Another factor is RR produce different figure up 40 bhp difference so the driver may not know his accurate bhp. If we go with mods how do you know what's in an engine or if the car is mapped. 99% of people will be open but you will get the odd 1 or 2.

Keep it simple save arguements.

Robert, I'm sorry, but this makes no sense to me... If I understand you right, we're entering classes based on times from previous runs? In which case, what about folk who've never dragged before?

Or are you suggesting we make the spilts on-the-day? That's surely open to criticism too?

I'm also not sure about the comment re the 600bhp cars having no chance if they have issues... surely there should be an element of reliability as part of the competition? Surely these guys wouldn't be aiming for these numbers if they didn't think they could get the consistency?

Note that this is NOT intended as a flame post and I'm not saying it should be my way or no way either ('cos it'd never stick anyway *lol*)... I'm just very confused - please explain! *chuckle*

sti pretender

sti pretender

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No read as a flame should probably have explained a bit better.

Just thought if we take times for the day and see who get fastest in each class.

BHP it's hard to say what you figure is, your relying on figures from different sources Tuners, RR and garages. A good example is my newage I have a printout from Extreme showing 329 but I also have a printout from Hypertech saying 279 which was done over a year after the Extreme day. I don't know which is right (it goes fast that all that counts :( ).

The simplest way to judge every car is use the one data source which is the time you run on the track, were all at the same place, using the same timing gear (wait for the comments about which is the faster lane at Crail ;) ) on the same day.

At the end of the day it's only a bit of fun. My biggest competition will be myself to see if I can improve my time from last.

Happy to go with the majority, Type R is running 330 by Andy's bum dyno and 288 on the RR.

fai17

fai17

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At the end of the day it's only a bit of fun. My biggest competition will be myself to see if I can improve my time from last.

My thoughts exactly ;)

colin_ross

colin_ross

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I doubt a lardy newage owners would want to be in the same class as a stripped out classic just because they have similar power. Where's the fairness in that?

BTW, will we all get to skip the queue to make sure heat soak is not more of a problem for some than others?

sti pretender

sti pretender

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BTW, will we all get to skip the queue to make sure heat soak is not more of a problem for some than others?

You could always use Jimser's old trick and plumb a CO2 fire extinguisher in to keep the temps down.

nightmare

nightmare

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well after following this know with some thought i have decided against pursuing this any further due to all the bickering regarding rules etc. i,ve spent time aswell as grant trying to organise the event but from the word go there has just been one problem after another all there is left to say is good luck with it and sincerely hope you guy,s can get it of the ground ;)

BalliSTIc

BalliSTIc

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Bump!

That's a pity. It's a shame you've lost heart on this. I don't really think anyone was really bickering... 'tis a forum after all... nowt wrong with a bit of healthy discussion in my book. Still...

nightmare

nightmare

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if any of you want this off the ground then can you please add your name to the list i would say at least 15 cars to get this going thanx.

as for rules we can sort that out when we get enough body,s

braveheart

braveheart

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Then what?

If you challenged me you would have nowt to back it up and neither would I as nobody knows how much power my car makes.

Well Colin i would say your high 500 nearer 600 as i have had a joint down the track and the power im running 600 + bhp would not have a chance unless in a cut down caterim,,, :beer: your right no one knows the power of your car that is my guess :blush:

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