G.Mac Posted September 18, 2009 Posted September 18, 2009 (edited) Car started only running on 3 , tracked it down to a missfire on #2 When I removed the plug (that only had done about 200 miles) this is what I found Replaced it with a new plug and still no joy, so engine will need to be removed for further investigation Graeme Edited September 18, 2009 by G.Mac
colin_ross Posted September 18, 2009 Posted September 18, 2009 Do a compression check first. Yes that tip will have gone somewhere and yes it could have damaged a lot of things on it's travels but it may have made it's way out without doing anything. If compression is fine I'd replace the plug and try another coil pack. If it runs ok then the next thing you need to do if figure out what happened. Do you have a knocklink, wideband, egt gauge to help diagnose it?
colin_ross Posted September 18, 2009 Posted September 18, 2009 Btw, gutted for you mate if there is internal damage.
G.Mac Posted September 18, 2009 Author Posted September 18, 2009 Yea, We checked each coilpack and plug to ensure a spark and even swapped the two known good ones from cylinders 1 & 3 over to 2 & 4 and still no joy. Oil pressure is still over 6 bar at idle (closer to 7 when cold) and no smoke from the back end. I am getting a little oil vapour from the breathers though when the car revs which i dont remember happening before. Apart from running on 3 cylinders there is no clunking or other strange noises. Im off up to machine Mart to get a compression tester as they are only about 40 quid Graeme
RS Grant Posted September 18, 2009 Posted September 18, 2009 Oh bugger... fingers crossed its not rattled around and damaged other things for you mate!! Cheers, Grant
zeolite Posted September 18, 2009 Posted September 18, 2009 Remember and do wet and dry tests as that will tell you about the cylinder sealing.
scoobzie Posted September 18, 2009 Posted September 18, 2009 (edited) i smell g.mac cooking something up with the barrhead bomber maybe more mods. rotated i hope you get it sorted graham it,s way out my technical depth Edited September 18, 2009 by scoobzie
G.Mac Posted September 18, 2009 Author Posted September 18, 2009 i smell g.mac cooking something up with the barrhead bomber maybe more mods. rotated i hope you get it sorted graham it,s way out my technical depth its already rotated....lol
scoobzie Posted September 18, 2009 Posted September 18, 2009 its already rotated....lol you do move fast i never caught your post with regards to you going rotated graham have you no idea what it could be give steve whitson a quick call the guy is always more than helpfull with me regarding advice
G.Mac Posted September 18, 2009 Author Posted September 18, 2009 Machine Mart didnt have any compression testers left so I got one from Halfrauds. numbers 1, 3 and 4 all showed 115psi and guess what no 2 showed 20psi does anyone know if you can get the head off without lifting out the engine? Graeme
colin_ross Posted September 18, 2009 Posted September 18, 2009 Sorry mate, didn't want to hear that. Heads can be taken of in situ as long as you don't have arp"s. But I'd recommend taking the motor out as it'll be easier in the long run.
john_stevenson2 Posted September 18, 2009 Posted September 18, 2009 Head can be removed with either head bolts or Arp studs, in situ. To be honest it's an a*** of a job, Colin at least has that right ( ), and you are that close to removing engine anyway you may as well !! Looking at that first pic, you are going to have to anyway to be honest Sorry ---john---
StrikE Posted September 18, 2009 Posted September 18, 2009 Thats never good news hope you get it sorted with the least hassle
colin_ross Posted September 18, 2009 Posted September 18, 2009 Head can be removed with either head bolts or Arp studs, in situ. Have you done this yourself? Never tried it personally but have been led to believe it was a non starter.
john_stevenson2 Posted September 18, 2009 Posted September 18, 2009 Have you done this yourself? Never tried it personally but have been led to believe it was a non starter. Yep !!
scooby222 Posted September 18, 2009 Posted September 18, 2009 sorry to hear that Graeme, hope it aint too costly to fix care to comment on the brand/supplier of plug??
G.Mac Posted September 18, 2009 Author Posted September 18, 2009 (edited) NGK PFR7B bought off a guy from Northern Ireland on Ebay. plugs only fitted for 200ish miles. dont know if it is all down to the plugs or not till I burst the engine open to see what damage there is. ps you still have the first refusal on my APS kit if you wish....lol Graeme Edited September 18, 2009 by G.Mac
scooby222 Posted September 18, 2009 Posted September 18, 2009 cheers give us a shout when its free and il have it-free fitting service too lol? ive the technical know ho of a doorknob but if you need someone to hold stuff and make tea give us a shout
cullenmin Posted September 18, 2009 Posted September 18, 2009 Machine Mart didnt have any compression testers left so I got one from Halfrauds.numbers 1, 3 and 4 all showed 115psi and guess what no 2 showed 20psi does anyone know if you can get the head off without lifting out the engine? Graeme Firstly not good news to hear G, onwards and upwards I suppose. 115psi seems a tad low too does it not? I thought standard brand new was around 165psi. You'd expect to lose a little compression but thats almost 33% less...or is this quite normal? Rich
RA Dunk Posted September 18, 2009 Posted September 18, 2009 115psi seems a tad low too does it not? I thought standard brand new was around 165psi. You'd expect to lose a little compression but thats almost 33% less...or is this quite normal?Rich Think mine was something like 122PSI or similar when mine went t1ts up
G.Mac Posted September 18, 2009 Author Posted September 18, 2009 (edited) As far as i'm concerned I still dont know what my exact compression figures are as I dont trust my £18.99 Halfrauds gauge and am only using it as a comparison over the 4 cylinders, but you never know it might be correct! looking forward to Sunday! (sort of) Graeme Edited September 18, 2009 by G.Mac
G.Mac Posted September 19, 2009 Author Posted September 19, 2009 Na not yet, I was down at my parents place picking up my dads engine lift and will be going to visit the good samaritan going by the name of Playsatan tomorrow. Hope to at least have the engine out by tomorrow night Graeme
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