Santa Cruise 2007

[billyboy]

Ladies and Gents

Time for a debate.Should we only give to Jerviswood Trust and nothing to Yorkhill or give to both?

I say give to both.

Vote Now Please

[Double Zero]

  billyboy said:

Ladies and Gents

Time for a debate.Should we only give to Jerviswood Trust and nothing to Yorkhill or give to both?

I say give to both.

Vote Now Please

I personally would say 50/50 that sound's fare .

Stevie

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01 WRX

[micra_wrc]

sorry Billy but I think we should give to Jerviswood this year and none to Yorkhill.

We can resume our 'normal' santa cruise next year.

Reasons for giving to Jerviswood:

- losing Colin and Johnny is an awful tragedy that has ripped apart 3 families and affected approx 95% of the members here, most of whom have families themselves

- Colin is most associated with Subaru and it is something that we, as a Subaru family, can do something in return

- Jerviswood is made up of 3 childrens charities

- these 3 charities have been nominated by the families

- money ultimately gets to the children and those that care for them.

True it is a different group of kids but these charities do fantastic (voluntary) work to make disadvantaged children feel happier about themselves and are often neglected, as they are in the shadow of the larger, more prominent children's hospitals

Reasons (if you can call it that) for not giving to Yorkhill

- Yorkhill receives so many donations from other sources (old firm, taxi drivers easter egg run) that the hospital actually passes them out to their wider health centres/satellite centres to make sure they get used

- presents dont last as long as you think (kids outgrow them, they break etc)

- the haul of presents we gave them last year were bought for the use of the wards (Xbox, PS2, DVD movies) and not for individual patients to take home when they get discharged. That should make their hospital stay more enjoyable.

The fact that Gla region have done a christmas present drop at Yorkhill for the past 3 years show that we care for the children in hospital at christmas time, its just that (I feel) the events of the past 4 weeks warrant a bit more support from the club

[the squiggle]

If we were at the same running total as we were last year then i would have went 50/50. We are not anywhere near the same position as last year or previous years financially to give both parties a decent amount.

50% of F*** all is still F*** all and if it was 50% of 8 grand plus then yeah no problem, shedload of money to Jerviswood and loads of presents for the kids, everyones a winner.

In my opinion 100% to Jerviswood not only honours a Colins families request but it also benefits the kids

My vote goes to Jerviswood 100% and to prove my point i have set up a standing order to the account. So no matter what the club decides i will be giving 600 quid a year to Jerviswood

Maybe if i had a child in Yorkhill i would maybe have swayed towards Yorkhill but i have no kids, this is not being derogatory towards the sick kids at the various hospitals .

I have however lost my own personal Jim Baxter, Jimmy Johnstone, Ayrton Senna, Jim Clark and i feel deep within that i want to pay the guy back for years of pride for what the Plumbers son fae Lanark gave me personally.

I also attend the memorial we left every day to keep it tidy as Autumn is now here and leaves need sweeping. I do not have to do this but something deep inside me is driving me on to do as much as possible to make sure he is never forgotten and that his chosen charities continue to benefit from his great name.

The names of Colin McRae and Subaru will forever be synonamous with each other. Now through the most tragic of circumstances the partnership will never be reunited in anger on the WRC. So in my head the two will forever be linked and i want to make sure the two will remained linked after his passing.

Just my opinion and i will go along with what the masses decide

[terzo neil]

this is my opinion

i think it is better that 3 charities get an equal share thro jerviswood trust than 1 charity so it will help more children

[andy]

This obviously refers to Glasgow. what have the other regions running SC decided (or proposed?) The impression I got via a PM was that is was one for all and all for one?

BTW, my preference is for Jerviswood for a variety of reasons.

[ed-209]

I have to agree with Imy, Grant and Neil. The matter was raised at the Glasgow meet and we agreed to support Jerviswood this year. I got DSGi onboard with that, if we change it we could loose DSGi. Yorkhill gets lots of donations at this time of year and will not go short.

I feel it's better to support Jerviswood for this year at least, It's the choice of the McRae Family to support 3 charities.

Ed.

Edited October 10, 2007 by ed-209

[G.Mac]

Hello there folks, well im going to be abit contraversial (wouldnt be the first time...lol)

I missed the vote the other Thursday about where our Sant Cruise fund should go, I thought the whole ethos of the event was to raise money for sick kids in hospital over the Christmas period and turn up with our cars all brightly decorated and go in the wards with a couple of members dressed up as santa to make the kids feel a bit special and brighten up their day.

At the moment the Jerviswood trust is just a bank account and we would not be physicaly there so see the kids faces, I think we are going away from the basic principal of Santa Cruise and therefor continue as whe had planned just weeks earlier by raising money and buying presents for the sick kids hospitals and Robin House (which for those who dont know is a residential care center for terminaly ill children) and keep the Santa Cruise idea going.

We have no doubt that the Jerviswood trust would be an excellent charity to give to, and which we will be giving to next year when we organise a run to celebrate Colins life and raise money for his family's chosen charity.

We need to take a step back and look as I think were running into things to quickly at the moment

Lets leave Santa Cruise "As Is" for now

I have no objection to some of the money raised going to jerviswood trust but not all

Graeme

Edited October 11, 2007 by G.Mac

[sti pretender]

The vote was taken prior to the meeting on Thursday as the donation sheets handed out at the meeting.

Since the meeting last week I have had time to think and, while I have no problem raising money for either charity I don't think you can completely cut-off your support of Yorkhill and Robin House.

There should probably have been more discussion on the matter and even a members vote as to where the money should have been donated. We are a community and as such every member should have a right be involved in decision making.

I understand that recent events have brought about the choice of the Jerviswood Trust, however there may be members that hold Yorkhill and Robin House closer to there hearts.

If I had a vote I'd say both, whatever is received will be greatly appreciated by all the charities.

Edited October 11, 2007 by STI Pretender

[karps]

  G.Mac said:

Hello there folks, well im going to be abit contraversial (wouldnt be the first time...lol)

I missed the vote the other Thursday about where our Sant Cruise fund should go, I thought the whole ethos of the event was to raise money for sick kids in hospital over the Christmas period and turn up with our cars all brightly decorated and go in the wards with a couple of members dressed up as santa to make the kids feel a bit special and brighten up their day.

At the moment the Jerviswood trust is just a bank account and we would not be physicaly there so see the kids faces, I think we are going away from the basic principal of Santa Cruise and therefor continue as whe had planned just weeks earlier by raising money and buying presents for the sick kids hospitals and Robin House (which for those who dont know is a residential care center for terminaly ill children) and keep the Santa Cruise idea going.

We have no doubt that the Jerviswood trust would be an excellent charity to give to, and which we will be giving to next year when we organise a run to celebrate Colins life and raise money for his family's chosen charity.

We need to take a step back and look as I think were running into things to quickly at the moment

Lets leave Santa Cruise "As Is" for now

I have no objection to some of the money raised going to jerviswood trust but not all

Graeme

I think Graham has a fair point, giving it all to jerviswood means that we dont actually see where its going whereas the usual santa cruise sees us all coming together, decorating cars, cruising through town, and seeing the look on the kids faces as we give them their presents. there is also the good press we get each year for the club.

Jerviswood will benefit greatly when the SIDC as a whole, remember Colin next year, so no one is gonna lose out if we stick to the usual xmas santa cruise.

I will go with the majority though.

Noel

[frank c]

Both posts above make valid points ( as do some of the others) and it's not an easy one to answer without alot of thought. As nobody wants to let anyone down obviously.

I just hope none of the nurses have told the kids what usually happens when Santa comes . That would be a real shame.

[james666]

As i was not at the meeting along with others on thursday night i dont see why the folk that did show up means there votes count for everyone else in this region!?? sorry but thats ****ing out of order.

And i am going to say leave it as is as the its all about making someone happy at xmas and this is coming from me a guy that hates xmas but last year i felt something i have not felt in years and to see the look on the wee kiddies faces meant alot to me jerviswood trust is getting money all the time and would of had more at the memorial that sunday than we could ever raise for yorkhill, yes jerviswood is 3 charities that get alot of support and needs cash like evry other charity out there. If you have or HAD a kid thats in yorkhill you would want it to be a nice happy place to spend xmas, i know wat i would rather do and that is raise money for kids.

And it would seem that the run thats going on next year to prodrive all cash raised is going to jerviswood and the McRaes so thats not very fair that they get xmas and a run and poor yorkhill get **** all and need to wait till another year.

And i'm not been personal here but it seems like there are some on here taking the loss of Colin a bit over the top, yes it is a very sad loss but we and the families involved will all move on and get over it.

OH and how is it meant to be a cruise??????.

Enough said from me.

Edited October 11, 2007 by james666

[thewelsho]

  micra_wrc said:

Reasons (if you can call it that) for not giving to Yorkhill

- Yorkhill receives so many donations from other sources (old firm, taxi drivers easter egg run) that the hospital actually passes them out to their wider health centres/satellite centres to make sure they get used

- presents dont last as long as you think (kids outgrow them, they break etc)

- the haul of presents we gave them last year were bought for the use of the wards (Xbox, PS2, DVD movies) and not for individual patients to take home when they get discharged. That should make their hospital stay more enjoyable.

Then why give to this cause at all?? If these are really reasons for not giving to them in view of Jerviswood, then they really ought to be reasons for not giving period. I think G.Mac hit the nail on the head with his post and would agree with him. I can also see why Billy is getting a bit upset about it. If the passing of Colin is a reason to give to his charities only becasue he died, then its not a reason at all. If Jervisweeod had greater merit on its own, then we ought to give to them every year. As it has been pointed out, we will have a run in Colin's memory later in the year or whenever and all proceeds from that can go to Jervisweeod or whom ever the McRae family decide upon.

At the end of the day, people are blessed (including the giver) no matter who receives it.

My 2p worth...

[billyboy]

  micra_wrc said:

sorry Billy but I think we should give to Jerviswood this year and none to Yorkhill.

We can resume our 'normal' santa cruise next year.

Reasons for giving to Jerviswood:

- losing Colin and Johnny is an awful tragedy that has ripped apart 3 families and affected approx 95% of the members here, most of whom have families themselves

- Colin is most associated with Subaru and it is something that we, as a Subaru family, can do something in return

- Jerviswood is made up of 3 childrens charities

- these 3 charities have been nominated by the families

- money ultimately gets to the children and those that care for them.

True it is a different group of kids but these charities do fantastic (voluntary) work to make disadvantaged children feel happier about themselves and are often neglected, as they are in the shadow of the larger, more prominent children's hospitals

Reasons (if you can call it that) for not giving to Yorkhill

- Yorkhill receives so many donations from other sources (old firm, taxi drivers easter egg run) that the hospital actually passes them out to their wider health centres/satellite centres to make sure they get used

- presents dont last as long as you think (kids outgrow them, they break etc)

- the haul of presents we gave them last year were bought for the use of the wards (Xbox, PS2, DVD movies) and not for individual patients to take home when they get discharged. That should make their hospital stay more enjoyable.

The fact that Gla region have done a christmas present drop at Yorkhill for the past 3 years show that we care for the children in hospital at christmas time, its just that (I feel) the events of the past 4 weeks warrant a bit more support from the club

Edited October 11, 2007 by billyboy

[4Hero]

I go with leave it as it is (local hospitals need more help, and the faces of the kids last year were unforgettable).

[micra_wrc]

  billyboy said:

i dont care what you and grant think jus because he thinks the sun shines out of mcreas ring.why was the donation sheets made up when no one had asked the members opinion?

sorry to hear that Billy but in our defence, who were the ones that liaised with Yorkhill, made up and distributed donation forms, collected the money, made 3 shopping trips and organised temp storage last year?

I dont want to get into a slanging match with you, we've both made our arguments for and against doing Yorkhill.

Santa Cruise is personal to all of us and I put so much effort into organising things and being proactive every year.

I dont want to get into a bunfight.

Lets just set a deadline to agree what we are going to do, and get things moving before we end up doing a shopping trip the night before the Santa Cruise... like we did last year

[4Hero]

there is a poll feature you know, could be easier as some people may not get involved with the discussion?

[billyboy]

  micra_wrc said:

sorry to hear that Billy but in our defence, who were the ones that liaised with Yorkhill, made up and distributed donation forms, collected the money, made 3 shopping trips and organised temp storage last year?

I dont want to get into a slanging match with you, we've both made our arguments for and against doing Yorkhill.

Santa Cruise is personal to all of us and I put so much effort into organising things and being proactive every year.

I dont want to get into a bunfight.

Lets just set a deadline to agree what we are going to do, and get things moving before we end up doing a shopping trip the night before the Santa Cruise... like we did last year

Who's running this region?Grant and Imy show????????????????????????

[ed-209]

  ed-209 said:

I have to agree with Imy, Grant and Neil. The matter was raised at the Glasgow meet and we agreed to support Jerviswood this year. I got DSGi onboard with that, if we change it we could loose DSGi. Yorkhill gets lots of donations at this time of year and will not go short.

I feel it's better to support Jerviswood for this year at least, It's the choice of the McRae Family to support 3 charities.

Ed.

I have spoken to Donald MacKenzie of the Techguys today, and the choice is our what we do with any money raised. The money what comes from it being on other sites will have to go to Jerviswood as that is all it states on there posts, does not state Santa Cruise.

So I think we should start a poll as time is marching on.

Also I think it should be all forum users not just SIDC members as everyone should have a say in where their donation goes.

[4Hero]

  ed-209 said:

I have spoken to Donald MacKenzie of the Techguys today, and the choice is our what we do with any money raised. The money what comes from it being on other sites will have to go to Jerviswood as that is all it states on there posts, does not state Santa Cruise.

So I think we should start a poll as time is marching on.

Also I think it should be all forum users not just SIDC members as everyone should have a say in where their donation goes.

Poll is started mate

[the squiggle]

  billyboy said:

Who's running this region?Grant and Imy show????????????????????????

Care to explain this comment?

[james666]

Oh yeah if folk wanna donate money to jerviswood if you type it into google you can get the bank details!!!!!!! so that leaves santa CRUISE for yorkhill! and how are we meant to hold a cruise for jerviswood????????? it would only take 1 car to go out there!!!!! so not much of a cruise for all the MEMBERS

Edited October 11, 2007 by james666

[4Hero]

It's not just Yorkhill James, others benefit too.

[billyboy]

  The Squiggle said:

Care to explain this comment?

Aye nae bother Grant.You seem to be making all the calls regarding santa cruise,runs etc.Get a membership.Oh and dont start with the "you dont go to meetings etc" no fun in driving the same roads again and again is there?This is the last you will hear from me im not renewing this year as the Glasgow area is once again going down the cluggie.

Billy

[james666]

  4hero said:

It's not just Yorkhill James, others benefit too.

Well it dont really matter anyway as i dowt i will renew my MEMBERSHIP for a site that will take a vote from 8/9 folk on this matter!!!! and by looks of it there is a few more who think the same way