shiralee Posted May 8, 2007 Posted May 8, 2007 [] ok not to happy!!! And here is why....My little wagon sleeps outside my friends house and has not been out for a month..came out for hastings yesterday!![] Went to pick up son and well to cut a long story short I was caught on video doing 45 in a 30mph speed limit? The officer was pleasant enough and explained that I can take 3 points and fixed £60 penalty or contest it!!![:S] I have no points[A] and driving is a fundemental part of my job!!! What do I do guys???
prodrive tony Posted May 8, 2007 Posted May 8, 2007 Hmmm.. What happens if you contest it and lose??? [:|]
granby Posted May 8, 2007 Posted May 8, 2007 Why is he saying you can contest it does he think he's wrong [*-)] if you had been doing a few mph over the limit then maybe i would contest it but 15mph over i don't think theres any chance of you winning especially as they have video evidence Don't think most insurance company's bother about 3 points nowadays as it's so common, as you know i got 6 points last year (had a clean licence for 23 years) and driving is my job but it made no difference to my insurance which i could not believe at the time and did check with my insurance company (direct line) and it was correct.
HairyDJ Posted May 8, 2007 Posted May 8, 2007 ACPO guidelines are that you'd be reported for 10% +2mph (35 in a 30), 10mph higher than that is getting very close to them turning nasty on you. If you think that you might have been 40-45 ish, then grab the offer. If you are sure that you were never more than 30-35 then it's a tough call - taking the £60 +3 points is still likely to hurt less than starting a one-sided scrap[]
T123VOR Posted May 8, 2007 Posted May 8, 2007 I would take the points as well- you are abit too far above the limit [] Good luck Trevor
wedmonds1 Posted May 8, 2007 Posted May 8, 2007 There was a very good guide on the Net a while ago about disputing points. Basically it all came down to the calibration of the gun (i think it was hand held though). They have to claibrate them on a regular basis (something like every 3 weeks). You can ask for the calibration details i believe which i understand they have to give you. If the gun has not been calibrated within this time the ticket is void. I would pay the fine and ask for the calibration details anyway. If it turns on the gun was not clibrated correctly you can argue it then.
markie Posted May 8, 2007 Posted May 8, 2007 Naughty naughty[] cought fair and sqaure by the looks of it[] take the fine + points, as Granby says it will not influence your insurance quote.
badboy baza Posted May 8, 2007 Posted May 8, 2007 Hey if you know your guilty take it and run, was caught fair and square two years ago on a dual carriage way in open countryside in Whiltshire doing 95 in a 60 slapped wrists £165 fine £50 costs and 4 points (pleaded guilty and said sorry to the nice nice judge). Has,nt done to much damage to my insurance. Join the growing government statistic of speeding drivers, surly this must tell them something that the MAJORITY of people think that most limits are wrong or are they placing cameras at financial making places ?????. Before I get shot down I believe a LACK of concentration is a factor of most accidents not all ways speed. But again ACCIDENTS will always happen nothing is 100% safe.
tony_cousins Posted May 8, 2007 Posted May 8, 2007 Up to six points on your insurance for speeding related offences is acceptable to most insurance companies with no loading of your policy. As for contesting it i would not bother, you have been caught breaking the speed limit and if you did go to court they will make an example of you. If this happened they could add driving with undue care and attention to the charge too which itself carries up to a further 3-9 points, this is too close to ban territory for most people !!!! . 3 points and £60 fine is better than the possible 0-12 points and larger fine possibly with a ban. Kent police are hitting speeders hard at the moment so watch out for them !!!!!
Scooby Hoo? Posted May 8, 2007 Posted May 8, 2007 Quote [] ok not to happy!!! And here is why....My little wagon sleeps outside my friends house and has not been out for a month..came out for hastings yesterday!![] Went to pick up son and well to cut a long story short I was caught on video doing 45 in a 30mph speed limit? The officer was pleasant enough and explained that I can take 3 points and fixed £60 penalty or contest it!!![:S] I have no points[A] and driving is a fundemental part of my job!!! What do I do guys??? The officer has to inform you of your right to contest, and all equipment used has to have been calibrated within a 48 hour period, and a certificate issued, it is needed as evidence and has to be provided if called to court. Your could ask for proof of calibration and if is not provided within 30 day penalty period then contest, if it's provided then pay before the 30 days are up. It's your call
B3AR Posted May 9, 2007 Posted May 9, 2007 The correct procedure is: Ask driver if he wants a ticket or a summons to court If driver wants ticket, issue it and explain that on one side of the ticket u fill it in and send it off with ur license and £60, else if they don't agree with it within 28 days fill in the reverse to get it heard at court
Dalthegooner Posted May 9, 2007 Posted May 9, 2007 I'd definitely take the points. If you contest it then you are saying that you wasn't speeding. If they've got video evidence then they can prove in court that you were and, IMHO, you will definitely get a harsher penallty as, in the eyes of the magistrate, you are lying by saying you wasn't speeding when you were.
Scooby Hoo? Posted May 9, 2007 Posted May 9, 2007 Quote I'd definitely take the points. If you contest it then you are saying that you wasn't speeding. If they've got video evidence then they can prove in court that you were and, IMHO, you will definitely get a harsher penallty as, in the eyes of the magistrate, you are lying by saying you wasn't speeding when you were. I hear what you are saying , however the law is very precise as to the correct procedure and the manner in which the officer records, reports and conducts the offense. In this case the officer has failed to inform you of your rights and has failed to follow the correct course of actions. You are not denying the offense as technically you have no offense to answer, on the grounds that the set procedure had not been adhered to. Almost as B3ar points out. You could have the charge quashed if you questioned the conducting officers procedure together with request of copy of the calibration certificate.
granby Posted May 9, 2007 Posted May 9, 2007 Quote Quote I'd definitely take the points. If you contest it then you are saying that you wasn't speeding. If they've got video evidence then they can prove in court that you were and, IMHO, you will definitely get a harsher penallty as, in the eyes of the magistrate, you are lying by saying you wasn't speeding when you were. I hear what you are saying , however the law is very precise as to the correct procedure and the manner in which the officer records, reports and conducts the offense. In this case the officer has failed to inform you of your rights and has failed to follow the correct course of actions. You are not denying the offense as technically you have no offense to answer, on the grounds that the set procedure had not been adhered to. Almost as B3ar points out. You could have the charge quashed if you questioned the conducting officers procedure together with request of copy of the calibration certificate. Where has the officer failed to inform you of your rights, he told Shiralee she could contest it
ROAR Posted May 9, 2007 Posted May 9, 2007 I know its gutting but, personally i would take the points and fine and live to fight another day
wedmonds1 Posted May 9, 2007 Posted May 9, 2007 I had a dream about getting pulled by and EVO last night with blue lights in the grill. I woke up thinking S***
marky9074 Posted May 9, 2007 Posted May 9, 2007 http://www.pepipoo.com/ Check out this web site. There are a lot of conditions that have to be in place...like someone has mentioned, calibration of gun, training of officer to use gun, correct number of officers and so on..... But if you were doing it, then accept it and take the points..... 45 in a 30.....hmmm
granby Posted May 9, 2007 Posted May 9, 2007 Quote I had a dream about getting pulled by and EVO last night with blue lights in the grill. I woke up thinking S*** Better not go to Essex then Wayne as Essex police have just that car []
Scooby Hoo? Posted May 10, 2007 Posted May 10, 2007 Quote Quote Quote I'd definitely take the points. If you contest it then you are saying that you wasn't speeding. If they've got video evidence then they can prove in court that you were and, IMHO, you will definitely get a harsher penallty as, in the eyes of the magistrate, you are lying by saying you wasn't speeding when you were. I hear what you are saying , however the law is very precise as to the correct procedure and the manner in which the officer records, reports and conducts the offense. In this case the officer has failed to inform you of your rights and has failed to follow the correct course of actions. You are not denying the offense as technically you have no offense to answer, on the grounds that the set procedure had not been adhered to. Almost as B3ar points out. You could have the charge quashed if you questioned the conducting officers procedure together with request of copy of the calibration certificate. Where has the officer failed to inform you of your rights, he told Shiralee she could contest it The office should have informed Shiralee as to the correct manner in which to dispute the alleged offense, and in just saying you can contest it, he failed to explain the differing courses of action in the set procedure. There by the officer failed to inform her of her rights.
baser999 Posted May 12, 2007 Posted May 12, 2007 Quote Quote I had a dream about getting pulled by and EVO last night with blue lights in the grill. I woke up thinking S*** Better not go to Essex then Wayne as Essex police have just that car [] Have seen an unmarked dark blue Beemer 3 series a couple of times lately on the South Circular - never seen it moving, its always been in 'post-pull' mode and taking someones details lol
shiralee Posted May 18, 2007 Author Posted May 18, 2007 Hi Guys.. Thanks for all the advice.. I took the 3 points and paid the £60!!! My job is far to important to risk any increase in penalty!
yogi- Posted May 18, 2007 Posted May 18, 2007 You did the right thing M8Y [Y] Just wait for the insurance quote just like Terri did [:'(] and i'm sure some of us has done, you are not alone []
Guest leebo77 Posted May 18, 2007 Posted May 18, 2007 You're definately not alone on this. You did the correct thing IMHO.
granby Posted May 18, 2007 Posted May 18, 2007 Quote You did the right thing M8Y [Y] Just wait for the insurance quote just like Terri did [:'(] and i'm sure some of us has done, you are not alone [] Shouldn't make any difference to you insurance [Y]
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