Dilema !

[craig79]

Long and the short is the car has become a weekend toy,

I have a bike at the moment but am selling to do one of the above.

Big problem is I've not idea how my car would be / cope with 350+ brake ??

I've full intensions of having a go in an mr340 to see what all the hipe is about

but I'll still not be sure as to how my car would compare with a serious

power / handling upgrade.

Question is has anyone been in a highly tuned newage wrx and a mr340

to make an accurate comparison ??

Really would appreciate any input with this as it's a bit of a gamble

without knowing for sure.

Thanks people

Craig.

[emoe]

IMHO id upgrade the scooby, unless youre prepared to spend on a new EVOx and get teh big daddy!!

[craig79]

Tbh mate if I had the readies I'd buy the new sti but that's

never gonna happen so I'm faced with the above choices.

I know alot of people may be a little biased considering the

forum we are on at the moment ..... but an objective

view of any kind would be a big help.

Love my car and would love to throw countless amounts of

the queens finest at it to make it a bit special but, a) I'm never

gonna see any of that money back and most importantly will

the car cope and not melt gearboxes / clutches with every run I make.

Whatever car is decided upon it would be a fast road tool with

the possibility of seeing a track now and again. In a nut shell

basically looking for somehting to give as close a buzz to a bike as

possible ??

Craig.

[gus the bus]

Stick with the scoob and mod it Craig.

YOU WILL ONLY REGRET IT!!!!!

[RS Grant]

IMO with that power level, you WILL do a gearbox if you use your car properly Craig... which means around £3k to sort that out properly. Ok, it would be a one-off payment, but 3k is a lot of money that you wont see again unless you split your car and put it back to standard once you come to sell it.

If you have serious love for the Imprezas then stick with it, if you arent totally into the brand then I'd go straight for the EVO, absolute no-brainer mate... its just an extremely well sorted package straight out of the box. If you budget for an expensive multi-plate cluch 'when' it goes (this is a known weak point), then you shouldnt have any problems with the EVO.. a de-cat and remap will see a 340 up near a genuine 400bhp and 400lb/ft. I think I'm right in saying that the MR has different head/cams and some extra aluminium panels over the normal GT/FQ stuff...... but I'm sure the salesman can take you through that.

For the record, I've had Imprezas for years.. so when I looked at buying new, I went for the more familiar Impreza..... mainly because I knew I'd enjoy it, I couldnt be sure that the novelty wouldnt wear off quickly if I went for the equivalent EVO. With the benefit of hindsight, I might well have gone for the EVO mate, I've had a look around the MLR on and off for the last few months and some of them look absolutely stunning and seem extremely easy to extract power from.

Cheers,

Grant

[dan_jess]

How much is your car worth, plus the costs of mods to make it around 350bhp

Against

Cost of an Evo with 340bhp

Ive not been in any high powered Scoobs (shame on me)

But have been in an Evo5 and 6, both with around 340bhp and my mates Evo8MR (which is in the for sale section at the moment) all of these cars were very quick indeed.

Why not get a test drive of the Evo and see how you feel, you may not like it against your Scoob

[Spaceman]

Hi mate my view go for the evo. I love Scoobys and everything they are but evos are amazing. i spent the cast on my blob wrx full 3"decat sti intercooler uprated fuel pump and panel filter Then Andy F remap. Car was amazing and great fun but after all that your only looking at kicking out 280-300bhp and the same nm.

As Grant says do those things to an evo and it will thro you another 100 bhp.

Only weak point for evo is clutch but engines and gearboxs stand up no probs especially on the 7/8/9s.

Iv got a classic the now for hillclimbing (unfortunatly with melted engine.) its has a proven 265bhp at the wheels which is around 300bhp at fly?? and a pretty light car. next door has evo 5 with a decat producing 330 bhp evo is a completly diff machine if i could pick id swap him.

Curently selling my z4 to buy evo 9.

drove a evo7 fq300 that had a decat and pushed out 330 bhp wiuth no remap. well better than my wrx

[gus the bus]

Curently selling my z4 to buy evo 9.

Oh dear oh dear that bucky has gone tae yer heid

[craig79]

Stick with the scoob and mod it Craig.

YOU WILL ONLY REGRET IT!!!!!

Lol no quite sure if I'm pickin up yir subtle advice there Gus lol.

Cheers mate

[craig79]

IMO with that power level, you WILL do a gearbox if you use your car properly Craig... which means around £3k to sort that out properly. Ok, it would be a one-off payment, but 3k is a lot of money that you wont see again unless you split your car and put it back to standard once you come to sell it.

If you have serious love for the Imprezas then stick with it, if you arent totally into the brand then I'd go straight for the EVO, absolute no-brainer mate... its just an extremely well sorted package straight out of the box. If you budget for an expensive multi-plate cluch 'when' it goes (this is a known weak point), then you shouldnt have any problems with the EVO.. a de-cat and remap will see a 340 up near a genuine 400bhp and 400lb/ft. I think I'm right in saying that the MR has different head/cams and some extra aluminium panels over the normal GT/FQ stuff...... but I'm sure the salesman can take you through that.

For the record, I've had Imprezas for years.. so when I looked at buying new, I went for the more familiar Impreza..... mainly because I knew I'd enjoy it, I couldnt be sure that the novelty wouldnt wear off quickly if I went for the equivalent EVO. With the benefit of hindsight, I might well have gone for the EVO mate, I've had a look around the MLR on and off for the last few months and some of them look absolutely stunning and seem extremely easy to extract power from.

Cheers,

Grant

Thanks alot Grant, alot of useful pointers there, based on what you're saying the evo is

looking more and more likely. This is kind of what I am puzzled with; taking a car to a level

that is renound for breaking bits or actually buy something that is designed to

cope with the useage that I've got in mind ?? By no means am I rough with my cars

but I would be truely p.issed off after spending approx. 3k getting it to the 350 bench

mark for the g/b to let go. As you say mate bit of a now brainer

Craig.

[craig79]

How much is your car worth, plus the costs of mods to make it around 350bhp

Against

Cost of an Evo with 340bhp

Ive not been in any high powered Scoobs (shame on me)

But have been in an Evo5 and 6, both with around 340bhp and my mates Evo8MR (which is in the for sale section at the moment) all of these cars were very quick indeed.

Why not get a test drive of the Evo and see how you feel, you may not like it against your Scoob

I'm going to get a drive of an evo to help this decision, tbh mate think I'd be doing ok

if I got 9k for my car things being the way they are at the mo. Figuring 9 for the car, 4ish for

the bike and the rest on finance, so ultimately costing myself more money each month

but then there is no outgoings for the bike any more. Ok it is more money but

from the sounds of things you're getting more of a car no ??

By my rekoning I'm needing to throw 3k at the impreza to get it to evo terriatory

then as Grant mentioned you're risking the g/b letting go......... b.loody ell my heed hurts !!!

Craig.

[craig79]

Hi mate my view go for the evo. I love Scoobys and everything they are but evos are amazing. i spent the cast on my blob wrx full 3"decat sti intercooler uprated fuel pump and panel filter Then Andy F remap. Car was amazing and great fun but after all that your only looking at kicking out 280-300bhp and the same nm.

As Grant says do those things to an evo and it will thro you another 100 bhp.

Only weak point for evo is clutch but engines and gearboxs stand up no probs especially on the 7/8/9s.

Iv got a classic the now for hillclimbing (unfortunatly with melted engine.) its has a proven 265bhp at the wheels which is around 300bhp at fly?? and a pretty light car. next door has evo 5 with a decat producing 330 bhp evo is a completly diff machine if i could pick id swap him.

Curently selling my z4 to buy evo 9.

drove a evo7 fq300 that had a decat and pushed out 330 bhp wiuth no remap. well better than my wrx

Appreciate the input mate, my car's roughly at 280 the now, so have spent a little bit on

it with all the supporting mods to compliment the remap. It is a crap thought to just sell

up all that dosh and effort but if buying the mr means less heart ache later on down the line

then I'm thinking it's the better decision. I know nothings guaranteed but was just looking

to see if people have had real issues with taking a wrx to this level without having to

remorgage every 6 months

Don't get me wrong really love being part of the subaru niche but it's all about

grin factor and how often the hand has to be in the pocket. When I hear of people

having to continually fix their cars due the power levels I just think I couldnae be

ersed; personally would take the fun away from owning the car fae me ??

Craig.

[scooby222]

the evos a much harder edged machine but any ive been in havent felt that much quicker than my scoobs unless theyre up over the 360 mark and the reason ive never had one is they just feel too competent - id either end up with no licence or a big off to use it on the road. but if your going for track fun its definitely the way.

just a thought but you havent considered an st instead? much more bike like than a wrx and with all the bits ready for more power gearbox brakes etc,2005 spec cs going for 12-15k just now....

[craig79]

the evos a much harder edged machine but any ive been in havent felt that much quicker than my scoobs unless theyre up over the 360 mark and the reason ive never had one is they just feel too competent - id either end up with no licence or a big off to use it on the road. but if your going for track fun its definitely the way.

just a thought but you havent considered an st instead? much more bike like than a wrx and with all the bits ready for more power gearbox brakes etc,2005 spec cs going for 12-15k just now....

No really a big enough fan of the focus' mate to buy one,

they look good but it's still a focus at the end of the day.

It's the same old story both the impreza and evo, they can very

easily be used as something else other than a track toy,

exiges, caterhams etc are just no quite as practical. Re the self

comitment of not driving a billion mph everywhere I've developed

a wee bit of self control wi the bike so thats no a big deal for me but do

know what you mean though

Craig.

[Spaceman]

Oh dear oh dear that bucky has gone tae yer heid

No way big baws, am tellin you evil evo`s are the way forward its just the next step up.

Hope to have my car away this week then once back from florida evo time begins. an 8 or 9 for everyday and classic for the hillclimbs. Greig

[dan_jess]

No way big baws, am tellin you evil evo`s are the way forward its just the next step up.

Hope to have my car away this week then once back from florida evo time begins. an 8 or 9 for everyday and classic for the hillclimbs. Greig

Then you will have the best of both worlds!

[scooby222]

whoops! missed a letter,that should have been sti!!! wouldnt touch a focus!

ive an 05 sti which i got as its a better starting point if you want to mod- witness the trials of welsho as redgards to uprating a wrx

but as i said the jdm impreza spec c is where my moneyd go- or a type 25 !!!

[craig79]

whoops! missed a letter,that should have been sti!!! wouldnt touch a focus!

ive an 05 sti which i got as its a better starting point if you want to mod- witness the trials of welsho as redgards to uprating a wrx

but as i said the jdm impreza spec c is where my moneyd go- or a type 25 !!!

Ahhhhhh sorry mate lol wondered if thats what you meant It's all about whats

financially possible at the end o the day. But do agree that the JDM's are a very good

bench mark.

[cullenmin]

Craig, if its just that theres one part of you thats just dying to own an evo then just go and do it.

I did as I always wanted one. Had it 5 months (if that) then sold up to get another impreza. Least I can say I've done the evo thing now.

Both scoobies and evo's are wonderfully fast cars, both have many differences. One thing for sure will be that subaru burble

How about you sell your car for a bugeye STi. spend some money on the cosmetics and throw a couple of grand at the engine and you've suddenly got a beast of a car in your hands

Rich

[fai17]

Craig, if its just that theres one part of you thats just dying to own an evo then just go and do it.

I did as I always wanted one. Had it 5 months (if that) then sold up to get another impreza. Least I can say I've done the evo thing now.

Both scoobies and evo's are wonderfully fast cars, both have many differences. One thing for sure will be that subaru burble

How about you sell your car for a bugeye STi. spend some money on the cosmetics and throw a couple of grand at the engine and you've suddenly got a beast of a car in your hands

Rich

Could agree with you more on this Rich.

All car has there weak points and EVO has their weak points.

They are bad for clutches,Warped brakes,Transfer boxes and so on......but they are really ggod to drive and spool up very early.

My money would be get a newage STI with the 6 speed box and spend some money on the engine then you have a serios tool.

[craig79]

Thanks lads, there's no really a definative reason

why the evo is in ma heed it's just I'm looking for

an extreme toy as possible that can be arranged through

the means of what I've got - if that makes sense.

My brother worked in Mitsi in fife for a few years and had

tested everything except the 400, he claims there is nothing

that can match an evo when it comes to handling and braking

(within reason). Ofcourse he's biased but he has been in a PPP'd

2.5 impreza and still says the evo 340 would out perform it.

I know how this thread will end up, only I can decide on what to do

just trying to gather as much experience from people as poss

so as not to flush whatever money I do spend doon the lavvy !!

Wonder if GMac's is still no up for sale mmmmmm ........

Craig.

[Joe G]

Ive had 3 scoobs now and had a 340bhp evo 5 before them. The evo was good but you need deep pockets for servicing and repairs with them. In the 18 months i had the evo i had to replace the clutch, flywheel, front discs (warped), steering rack, AYC replaced, and a few other bits and bobs. And that was driving sensibly!! Not including the servicing costs it mounted up to a fair packet!!

Now ive got a 2003 sti spec c and its by far the most exciting scooby ive had so far. Especially when you learn how to drive it properly!!

Either mod your scoob or go for a spec c!! You won't regret it!!

[craig79]

Cheers Joe