Ive been told that red, green and yellow stuff pads are pretty ruff on the discs, I found someone on ebay selling mintex pads fot £45 new but thought that was very cheap compared to other makes. www.jdmperformance are selling black diamond predator fast track pads for £69 which they say are for both street and track driving. Standard pads from subaru are £170 + vat. Im so confused![*-)] LOL.