Scooby Hoo? Posted February 21, 2009 Posted February 21, 2009 JGM has a good point.The initial question of this thread could have many answers. BHP / lb ft / standing quarter / 0 - 60 / 60 - 0 / 30 -130 / lap times / Lateral G / Peak G / Power to Weight ratio's and so on. Big BHP figures do not determine the fastest car. Big Lb/ft means nothing if the car is too heavy. BHP & lb/ft are only two different scientific calculations of the engines output, not the VEHICLES performance !. In all levels of motor sports or high end modifications the only important factor for success is Power to Weight ratio's. The cars with the best PTW that can generate good mechanical grip will always win. Last year F1's were knocking out 640 - 700bhp. Top Fuels were knocking out between 7600 - 8020 bhp. I have not got a clue about the lb ft because it's never mentioned, so it cannot be generally rated as an accurate source of vehicle performance. At the end of the day we all drive a vehicle, not an engine. Calculations have been made and when my car is collected next week it will be producing 432.3 bhp per ton at it's present weight of 1295kg Nearly up there with the R 500 Superlight Caterham 520bhp/tonne but the Duratec only produces 263bhp at 8500rpm with 177ft/lbs/touque at 7200rpm. So you are dead right in what you're saying Clive. PS 0-60 in the Caterhem 2.88 seconds. PRICE OUCH!!!!
eureka Posted February 21, 2009 Posted February 21, 2009 in the 0/60 you would be surprised on the outcome the biggest power car on here will not win spool at 4000 revs slow 0/30 quick 30/60 time jgm 2.5 less power higher torque plus quick spool from md321= v quick 0/60 plus stripped out car ppg gea***t imho quick = jgm fast = scullfudge i know of two cars on here running vf35 turbo,s which spool at 2/2500 revs and light which again =fast 0/60 time one of which is a lightweight classic sti with short ratio box the other a newage wagon wrx both have good launch speeds maybe not to 60 but 0/30 by changing to a 6 speed you sacrifice a masive amount of weight and gearing to ensure box can cope with power increase not sure on weight difference between 5/6 speed im sure simon will be along to tell us soon
granby Posted February 21, 2009 Posted February 21, 2009 (edited) ok i will Specify who has the fastest car in regards to 0-60??? 0-60 is a difficult one as not everyone wants to put there car through the abuse to see what it can do as it's very hard on the whole drivetrain i know of two cars on here running vf35 turbo,s which spool at 2/2500 revs and light which again =fast 0/60 time one of which is a lightweight classic sti with short ratio box the other a newage wagon wrx both have good launch speeds maybe not to 60 but 0/30 by changing to a 6 speed you sacrifice a masive amount of weight and gearing to ensure box can cope with power increase not sure on weight difference between 5/6 speed im sure simon will be along to tell us soon 5 speeds also have the advantage for 0-60 as it only needs one gear change to get to 60 where the 6 speeds need 2 and i think the 6 speed is around 30kg heavier ps...mines a VF34 not 35 Edited February 21, 2009 by Granby
eureka Posted February 21, 2009 Posted February 21, 2009 0-60 is a difficult one as not everyone wants to put there car through the abuse to see what it can do as it's very hard on the whole drivetrain5 speeds also have the advantage for 0-60 as it only needs one gear change to get to 60 where the 6 speeds need 2 and i think the 6 speed is around 30kg heavier ps...mines a VF34 not 35 same same
Jolly Green Monster Posted February 21, 2009 Posted February 21, 2009 I would think on a 0-60 Dean and I would be fairly matched.. he has more power and more torque but it spools later and is on a 6speed rather than my 5speed. Skullfudge - you running a 6speed? I don't think you can put much more than 450bhp down on the road so not going to differ much between all three cars to 60 anything.. drove a 486bhp/ 480lb 5speed on thursday and it just lit up all four wheels in first and second on a dry(ish) road with R888. which brings on another subject.. tyres.. Dean probably has advantage there with about 4 sets to choose from Simon
fudge Posted February 21, 2009 Posted February 21, 2009 I agree with all your points fella's. All have different power, gear ratio's etc. 0 - 60 is so hard to achieved accurate figures, and as Gramps said much time is lost due to the launch the car/owner is prepared to use. To be honest 1st gear in my car will be a waste of time, and more than likely 2nd too. Not too sure what gear to be in for the 30mph launch at the 30 - 130 event. Will be good fun though and looking forward to it. At the end of the day I have had my car done for me. If it proves the 25th fastest car in Kent, so be it & I will be first to congratulate guys that beat me in competition. It's it not about me impressing people it's about me enjoying my car. I share most info with everyone on my SN thread.....BUT there are some things Olly has mentioned to me that I have kept to myself for reasons that will become clear later
m@tt untimate STImulation Posted February 21, 2009 Author Posted February 21, 2009 when you think about it its the mid range that counts i guess 30 upwards to 100.
granby Posted February 22, 2009 Posted February 22, 2009 roll on the 8th Oh yes, i'm really looking forward to this even though i'll probably be one of the slowest
Jolly Green Monster Posted February 22, 2009 Posted February 22, 2009 I agree with all your points fella's. All have different power, gear ratio's etc.0 - 60 is so hard to achieved accurate figures, and as Gramps said much time is lost due to the launch the car/owner is prepared to use. To be honest 1st gear in my car will be a waste of time, and more than likely 2nd too. Not too sure what gear to be in for the 30mph launch at the 30 - 130 event. Will be good fun though and looking forward to it. At the end of the day I have had my car done for me. If it proves the 25th fastest car in Kent, so be it & I will be first to congratulate guys that beat me in competition. It's it not about me impressing people it's about me enjoying my car. I share most info with everyone on my SN thread.....BUT there are some things Olly has mentioned to me that I have kept to myself for reasons that will become clear later what is the highest powered car you hav driven before this?
Scooby Hoo? Posted February 22, 2009 Posted February 22, 2009 (edited) what is the highest powered car you hav driven before this? Skullfudge was seen in my wifes Honda Jazz Type R with 7 speed sequential gearbox, launch (latch) control and 870 bhp. Oooooppps that should read 87bhp Edited February 22, 2009 by Scooby Hoo?
fudge Posted February 22, 2009 Posted February 22, 2009 JGM.. I have driven many high end cars but not to this spec. I have owned 2 drag race prepared Chevy's one running 830 at the fly wheel, raced a lister prepared XJS at Goodwood in the Supercars Trophy sponsored by the Lamborgini Owners Club, National Karts (many), RS Pinto Escort used in Auto Testing etc. My driving ability does not worry me in the slightest. Ask Mike Wilds at Brands, he was sitting besides me at North Weald when I done the 1:15 lap and I asked him how much faster he would go and he replied "maybe 1 second". (dont forget that Evo that got the 1:14 had 520 bhp. I had about 420. The Evo pulled down that initial straight much faster than I did !. My time was made up through the bends at the far end. In saying that I have still got a lot to learn with the P1 because the "feel" will be different. The thing that will be different for me is that it will be the first 4x4 with power I have driven.
fudge Posted February 22, 2009 Posted February 22, 2009 Skullfudge was seen in my wifes Honda Jazz Type R with 7 speed sequential gearbox, launch (latch) control and 870 bhp.Oooooppps that should read 87bhp
Scooby Hoo? Posted February 22, 2009 Posted February 22, 2009 It's it not about me impressing people it's about me enjoying my car. Got it in one Clive. Some of us like the car to look good (TINY) Some of us like the car to be shiny (DAZ) Some of us like the wheels to be dirty (?) Some of us like to chase the professional teams and get the power. But one thing we all have, is the pleasure of what we own. (until it breaks down )
m@tt untimate STImulation Posted February 22, 2009 Author Posted February 22, 2009 (until it breaks down ) Thats me!!!!!
fudge Posted February 22, 2009 Posted February 22, 2009 Got it in one Clive.Some of us like the car to look good (TINY) Some of us like the car to be shiny (DAZ) Some of us like the wheels to be dirty (?) Some of us like to chase the professional teams and get the power. But one thing we all have, is the pleasure of what we own. (until it breaks down ) But one thing we all have, is the pleasure of what we own. (until it breaks down ) ""Until it breaks down" is the one thing that is always on the mind of a driver who has been in competition or who drives a car with moderate to high mods. I have thought that many times with previous cars I have owned and indeed it has happened many times, but the strange thing is I have never once thought that in the P1. I am not saying it wont happen because somewhere down the line it may break somewhere, but I guess that is one of the unseen issues using a company like RCM. I know they are expensive but that alone is worth it, not to mention their knowledge.
m@tt untimate STImulation Posted February 22, 2009 Author Posted February 22, 2009 its happend twice to me now. i kno wen i get it back its going to take atleast a month for me to confide in the car again. will have to run it in anyway so guess its the best time to take it easy for a month. just want reliability. im hoping this time it will be the end of all the major problems!
fudge Posted February 22, 2009 Posted February 22, 2009 its happend twice to me now. i kno wen i get it back its going to take atleast a month for me to confide in the car again. will have to run it in anyway so guess its the best time to take it easy for a month. just want reliability. im hoping this time it will be the end of all the major problems! Good luck Matt
Garth W Posted February 22, 2009 Posted February 22, 2009 (edited) mines the Fastest,Because its SILVER & everyone knows thats the fastest colour.. But mines fastest cos its got gold wheels! lol Edited February 22, 2009 by Garth W
Jolly Green Monster Posted February 22, 2009 Posted February 22, 2009 JGM.. I have driven many high end cars but not to this spec. I have owned 2 drag race prepared Chevy's one running 830 at the fly wheel, raced a lister prepared XJS at Goodwood in the Supercars Trophy sponsored by the Lamborgini Owners Club, National Karts (many), RS Pinto Escort used in Auto Testing etc.My driving ability does not worry me in the slightest. Ask Mike Wilds at Brands, he was sitting besides me at North Weald when I done the 1:15 lap and I asked him how much faster he would go and he replied "maybe 1 second". (dont forget that Evo that got the 1:14 had 520 bhp. I had about 420. The Evo pulled down that initial straight much faster than I did !. My time was made up through the bends at the far end. In saying that I have still got a lot to learn with the P1 because the "feel" will be different. The thing that will be different for me is that it will be the first 4x4 with power I have driven. that's cool.. no idea whether you had driven anything quick or not.. just curious Simon
fudge Posted February 22, 2009 Posted February 22, 2009 (edited) that's cool.. no idea whether you had driven anything quick or not.. just curious Simon I understand where you were coming from Simon. Clive Edited February 22, 2009 by skullfudge
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