Pele Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 Well went to start her up today and nothing Had a good look around and we have water coming out from the side of the engine and when I re checked oil it's deffo head gasket failure Not sure what to do now, a decent rebuild will cost around 2.5k, and I can probably pick up another classic for that, then again I don't have the money to do either However, if anyone would like to rebuild the engine for free, I won't mind in the slightest and will even supply tea and sandwiches Link to comment
eureka Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 Well went to start her up today and nothing Had a good look around and we have water coming out from the side of the engine and when I re checked oil it's deffo head gasket failure Not sure what to do now, a decent rebuild will cost around 2.5k, and I can probably pick up another classic for that, then again I don't have the money to do either However, if anyone would like to rebuild the engine for free, I won't mind in the slightest and will even supply tea and sandwiches ohh not good news sorry Link to comment
Pele Posted September 1, 2008 Author Share Posted September 1, 2008 ohh not good news sorry Just glad I hadn't forked out for the major service lol Link to comment
eureka Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 Just glad I hadn't forked out for the major service lolon the plus side your probaly right Link to comment
scoobytibs Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 gutted for you sorry to hear that pele , Link to comment
granby Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 Well went to start her up today and nothing Had a good look around and we have water coming out from the side of the engine and when I re checked oil it's deffo head gasket failure Not sure what to do now, a decent rebuild will cost around 2.5k, and I can probably pick up another classic for that, then again I don't have the money to do either However, if anyone would like to rebuild the engine for free, I won't mind in the slightest and will even supply tea and sandwiches Sorry to hear the bad news Link to comment
20withascooby Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 not good sorry to hear Link to comment
tony_cousins Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 Im sorry to hear it too I got to pay for it to be fixed And she will be using my car in the mean time !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bugger Link to comment
matthew_buckland Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 Lot of buggering going on..................... Thats a bit pants, not a good thing to fail on an engine. Hopefully you'll get something sorted soon. Link to comment
dazzlers82 Posted September 2, 2008 Share Posted September 2, 2008 oh dear not good news but if its only head gasket you wont need an engine rebuild ?? Link to comment
tony_cousins Posted September 2, 2008 Share Posted September 2, 2008 Spoken to many of the top guys with regards to the engine and they all say you should have a rehone and to replace the bearings etc or you will suffer another failure within a few months due to the engine being under higher pressure and the parts being worn. When the time comes David at API will be getting my money i know of lots of engines being built by him and none have had problems plus a few internal parts may be upgraded at the same time Tony Link to comment
emoe Posted September 2, 2008 Share Posted September 2, 2008 oh dear not good news but if its only head gasket you wont need an engine rebuild ?? Pele, get the gasket kit and borrow a crane pull the motor and pull the head off. get the head skimmed and slap it all back together mate. No need for a rebuild and yorue only in it for a couple of hundred! Link to comment
dazzlers82 Posted September 2, 2008 Share Posted September 2, 2008 Pele, get the gasket kit and borrow a crane pull the motor and pull the head off. get the head skimmed and slap it all back together mate.No need for a rebuild and yorue only in it for a couple of hundred! totally agree no need for a rebuild Link to comment
tony_cousins Posted September 2, 2008 Share Posted September 2, 2008 totally agree no need for a rebuild Extreme API Mocom Scoobyclinic Zen Graham Goode TSL All of the above plus a good few others have said not to do just the head gasket, although im sure your right and it can be done cheap i would like the peace of mind plus like i say a few bits internally like pistons, conrods, crank etc will more than likely be uprated in preparation for alot more power. Tony Link to comment
emoe Posted September 2, 2008 Share Posted September 2, 2008 ExtremeAPI Mocom Scoobyclinic Zen Graham Goode TSL All of the above plus a good few others have said not to do just the head gasket, although im sure your right and it can be done cheap i would like the peace of mind plus like i say a few bits internally like pistons, conrods, crank etc will more than likely be uprated in preparation for alot more power. Tony Tony, i wont disagree with the people above, BUT firstly most of those places will make money from you rebuilding your engine. They also know that when a head gasket goes, normally the engine has had a hard life and therefore needs a rebuild anyway. However, if your car was running perfectly ok, and the headgasket has just gone, then in all honesty there is NO NEED to rebuild the engine. Look at it this way. Unless youre running more boost and uprated turbo etc etc then doing the headgasket is perfectly fine. Ive done two different engines in two different cars now and not done a thing to the bottom end or anything else and they are still running fine. If youre running uprated boost control, and turbo and other mods that raise the normal running conditions of the engine, then you MIGHT have a problem later on. But i would envisage you changing the head gasket and running that car fine for quite a while if you dont abuse the crap out of her. Link to comment
granby Posted September 2, 2008 Share Posted September 2, 2008 They also know that when a head gasket goes, normally the engine has had a hard life and therefore needs a rebuild anyway. You've seen Pele drive then Link to comment
Pele Posted September 2, 2008 Author Share Posted September 2, 2008 You've seen Pele drive then Ooohhh you bitch!!! Emoe, our friends who brought a car from a KS member had the same problem and just did the head gaskets themselves and the engine still wasn't running properly and kept stalling etc, when it was taken to a Scooby garage to check they were told the engine was F****** and that if they had done the bearings and bits while it was apart it would not have gone wrong again. If I have the engine done then it will be a full rebuild with strengthened internals as I fully intend to do track days in it this time And no it didn't have a hard life before this happened as I have only just started getting my confidence back after writing off my first scooby - plus anything over 70mph and I needed ear defenders all it did really was the school run and a few trips here and there..... Link to comment
emoe Posted September 2, 2008 Share Posted September 2, 2008 Ooohhh you bitch!!! Emoe, our friends who brought a car from a KS member had the same problem and just did the head gaskets themselves and the engine still wasn't running properly and kept stalling etc, when it was taken to a Scooby garage to check they were told the engine was F****** and that if they had done the bearings and bits while it was apart it would not have gone wrong again. If I have the engine done then it will be a full rebuild with strengthened internals as I fully intend to do track days in it this time And no it didn't have a hard life before this happened as I have only just started getting my confidence back after writing off my first scooby - plus anything over 70mph and I needed ear defenders all it did really was the school run and a few trips here and there..... Ok i understand now, See, the engine isnt in great shape anyway so yes id advise having a rebuild too. If the engine was fine you could get away with it. Good luck mate Link to comment
col_2 Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 sorry to hear about your car pele, hope you get it all sorted soon. Link to comment
mocomracing Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 ExtremeAPI Mocom Scoobyclinic Zen Graham Goode TSL All of the above plus a good few others have said not to do just the head gasket Not quite what I said Tony, for reference here's the email I sent through to you. Hi Tony, attached is a quotation to repair your engine assuming it has suffered failure from one or both failed head gaskets. The quote contains three pages, the first is the minimum required to get you back on the road. The second page contains recommendations of work that could be carried out at the same time as the engine is out therefore reducing the probability of these parts failing further down the line. The third page contains the quote to replace the bearings and 'freshen' up the bottom end, again this would be cheaper to carry out this work at the same time as conducting the head gasket repair as the engine will be removed from the car. If there's any thing you'd like further clarification on please call on 020 8502 3050 or reply with your queries to info@mocomracing.com Best regards, Zak Mocom Racing +44 20 8502 3050 please direct any replies to info or sales@mocomracing.com The 2nd page of recommendations detailed commen sense items to replace at this opportunity :- Front and rear crankshaft oil seal RCMS oil pump Water pump Timing belt Tensioner Valve stem oil seals Spark plugs The 3rd page detailed new bearings etc, but this was at your request after AN Other Tuner recommended that you rebuild the bottom end due to the stress of head gasket failure. Good luck with whatever path you choose but please be clear with your posts when refering to something we have said Link to comment
Pele Posted September 4, 2008 Author Share Posted September 4, 2008 Zak Tony was just adding a list of the respected tuners he had talked to and a generalisation that the bearings should be done, not making a referance to just your advice but all the advice in general He did not mean to misrepresent any information given Pele Link to comment
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