Impreza Ciaran every time, I fully agree with your well made points. I recently endured a rolling road day with loads of type Rs yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawnnnnnn got sick of seeing the same figures 197bhp and 140ib/ft torque on standard and mildly modded ones. One main difference is that they can put a bit of power down that 4WD takes away from a scoob.Type R 14k, Supercharger 4k,Nos 1k outcome 250bhp what a friggin waste of money. Carry on.