ABZ- Police Speed Trap - Broomhill Road

[craig mac]

Is it not a fact that in the Highway code the lowest speed is stated at 30 mph?

So has the law actually changed he Highway code as well to list 20 in built up zones?

Do the 20 zones have to be approved and registered somewhere?

[andy]

Is it not a fact that in the Highway code the lowest speed is stated at 30 mph?

So has the law actually changed he Highway code as well to list 20 in built up zones?

Do the 20 zones have to be approved and registered somewhere?

Interesting point. I can't find anywhere on the Highway Code website where it states 20mph limits are enforcable. The Association of British Drivers Website covers it. However, in my experience, where they are in place it is for good reason - around schools, residential areas etc and I'm happy to stick with it.

[duncan_stephen]

I aint going to argue here but the 14 day rule does not apply in Scotland. I can assure you of this. I have seen people go to trial expecting the case to get thrown out because of this but it didn't. They ended up with a far bigger fine for trying it too.

It is a guideline, but not a law.

I dont know everything by any means but find a better way out than that. I looked into it all a fair bit, more out of interest than anything. []

Yes bad advice is everywhere, but research well and speak to the right people and its not difficult to find the loop holes.

I'm not in the habit of fighting convictions but I can if I feel its unfair.  

[andy]

I aint going to argue here but the 14 day rule does not apply in Scotland. I can assure you of this. I have seen people go to trial expecting the case to get thrown out because of this but it didn't. They ended up with a far bigger fine for trying it too.

It is a guideline, but not a law.

I will argue it because you are totally wrong and are misleading people the same as the Scamerati do. I've taken Central Scotland Scamera Pratnership as an example here, but all Pratnership websites say the same sort of thing:

That is a DIRECT screen capture from their website. No editing, no bulls***. If you know people who have fallen foul of this fact it's either because they were not the first NIP in the chain, they lied (not a good idea as it's perverting the course of justice and can see you sharing the soap in the showers with Bubba at Her Majesty's pleasure) or they were correct, but were not credible witnesses in court. The fact remains the law states 14 days service. End of story. God knows where you got your "guidelines" theory from.

Note: They actually lie in the above screenshot. The law states the NIP must be SERVED (ie delivered) within 14 days, not "sent". This is just one example of how these people tell lies in order to gain their £60 of your hard-earned...

[duncan_stephen]

Andy, Quote what you like.

I will go by knowledge, experience, lawyers and THE LAW.

NOT quotes, from some scamera site, besides this post was never about a scamera partnership issue. [] 

 

So beware....... 14 day rule option, wont help you in Scotland.

I will happly advise people where I can on these kind of matters. And have done on many occasions........some have even posted on this thread. [] 100% sucsess to date. []  I am in NO WAY looking to give faulse info.

I'm sure anyone who knows me will vouch for that, what would I have to gain?????? Nothing.

Not looking to argue, just make people aware. No hard feelings here m8, but we may have to agree to disagree. []

Like I say I aint looking to argue mate, so you can post away, I will not be replying on this matter again.

Thanks

Duncan

 

[duncan_stephen]

Right, forgot to say above (and having trouble with post edit).

And this may be causing the confusion.

The reason the 14 day rule will not apply is because they DO NOT need to use recorded delivery, so otherwise we could all just say the NIP wasn't served within 14 days (Assuming we are the registered keeper) and there would never be any convictions.

Trust me, they want the money and the system aint THAT soft.

Hope this clears up my post.

[thefastone]

Andy mate, Just noticed something mate, Few points... and by no means an expert here, but, its plain in black in white...

Scooby Doom (sorry man, Been so long Ive forgotten your name...) posted the text from the LAW, saying that the NIP must be SENT within 14 days...

then, you, posted the bit from the scamera partnership website that states: the NIP must be SENT within 14 days...

in both of those texts nether say anything about how long it takes for you to recive them... only that it must be SENT within 14 days...

also, ANYTHING the scamera partnerships say, is completely irrelevant if it contraditcs the letter of the law, ie the LAW says sent 14days, and the partnership says recived 14days, the law rules the decision...end of story really....

SO, Andy, so far... you are still arguing a point, that you are arguing a point against the letter of the law in black and white, and then to support your arguement, you post an artical that supports everything that your arguing against... which is kinda backwards... you still have not shown us any FACT that supports what you are saying....

So..............

who do we think is wrong here.... I know I have my opinions... which I'll keep to my self on this one, but I am merely presenting the fact of the matter here...

and one last thing, if they send nothing by recorded mail then how do they prove that you recived the letter?  they can not... again just my opinion, and I also konw people that have gotten away with it.... Naming no names....

So Yeah...

[andy]

Oh FFS.

You want law? Here it is - Road Traffic Offenders Act 1988.

"( within fourteen days of the commission of the offence a summons

(or, in Scotland, a complaint) for the offence was served on him..."

The precedent is Nicholson Vs Tapp. Google for it because, frankly,  I can't be ar5ed explaining any more.

Duncan - over to you...