FAO Clutdav

[craig mac]

How does the wifies rims look mate? Pictures?

So matey what do you think of the I.C.E away to be fitted? []

Who will have the loudest[8] boot in Scotland []

And the Parrot [] LOL

 

Craig Soon to be even deafer than b4 Mac[6]

[irish al]

Who will have the loudest[8] boot in Scotland []

Me []

[craig mac]

Al PMSL m8

nae nae mr wilks

Pioneer verses Genesis? mmmmmmm Na LOL

M8

[irish al]

Its all in the quality, not the volume.

[craig mac]

My point Exactly al

Pioneer cheaper mid range poor rms figures

Genesis top end over the average advertised rms figure 35% over and a little costly, in fact one of my Dual Mono Extreme would power all in your motor mate. Note i said one of them PMSL[][]

Head Unit 8600 and the Audio Control EQL in there too

Kappa Infinity Ref Series Mids front and rear  12 Sub also Infinity 12.1 ref Kappa series,

Yes your right quality that counts[]

Craig

Soon to be the loudest best quality sounding boot in Scots Scoob[]

Forgot the 2 off 10" JL audio subs too lol[]

[irish al]

Two Dual Mono Extreme ?? Very nice, suppose ill be second loudest boot in SS then []

[craig mac]

Al

Who mentioned 2? there are 4 genesis amps going in buddy

[st] lol

 

Craig

[irish al]

Four of these   http://caraudiosecurity.com/shop/product/p...ts_id/4380.html

[craig mac]

No am not that rich welll not yet LOL

2 off Duals and 2 off others blocks one will be hidden in the custom stealth box for the 12 sub

http://genesis-ice.com/ 

Series III Bad boys

Craig

[irish al]

Interisting, but theres no way one of those would power everything ive got in my car either.

[craig mac]

pmsl

 

Read up on rms and peaks mate

Pioneer are pants in amp terms[W] Genesis are the dogs dangles [li]

With the correct wiring splits and eqs one would drive 4 sets of mids and tweets and 4 subs to the same as your 2 pioneers buddy

Not getting into a pi555ing contest here bud, i know my ICE and sound systems of all kinds, it was my job for long enuff in a professional manner[]

Trust me on this one. What does the likes of beckham, Coulthard, etc have fitted to there motors? Genesis

 

End off[]

 

[irish al]

Do you remember it was me you met that day at Ray Smith ??

[irish al]

The Dual Mono Extreme is ony a two channel amp rated at 2 x 200 @ 4ohm,

Aye it would drive 4 sets of mids and tweets and 4 subs but would sound shite.

Even then thats at 14.4 volt form the head unit which it will never ever supply ??

[craig mac]

Aye

And it cost me a bacon roll and a cup oh tea, Did you get that boost gage fixed?

And i saw and hear your set up.

End off topic, I would not run a pioneer in my van am afraid

Genesis will pi55 all over kenwood alpine pioneer etc etc in rms and output freq etc

They do not come any better trust me

 

Craig

[craig mac]

Thats why we run capacitors, EQLs  two batteries and other little tweeks

That one amp would burn out every speaker in your car within 30 minutes running at 20 to 30% gain, when wired and split correctly am afraid

Look again at the ACTUAL RMS figures on the genesis site, then look at the ACTUAL RMS capacity of your Speakers!and indeed your amps......shocking really the peek to rms drop on the Pioneer , alpine, sony, kenwood etc 

I have installed more sound systems than most and as i said trust me, even the lad who is doing my Pro install this time round, his jaw dropped and thats his business, Advised having the windows open when switching on system.........never to be run higher than 45% gain..................He has never seen the likes, after 22 years of installs...... How high are the gains on Pio's ken's Sony's etc etc screwed to the max because the rms levels are so low

SAMPLE FROM PIONEER AMP

Specifications

PRS-A500

Maximum Output Power

1x 600 W

DIN power output (W)

(DIN45324, +B = 14.4V)

2 x 140 W or 1 x 500 W (4 Ohm)

Cont. power output (RMS),

14.4V (20-20kHz/4ohms)

2 x 100 Watt

Cont. power output (RMS),

14.4V (20-20kHz/2ohms)

2 x 150 Watt

Cont. power output (RMS),

14.4V (Bridged 4 ohms)

1 x 300 Watt

50% DROP OFF

SAMPLES GENESIS

SPECIFICATIONS

ST60

ST100

Dual Mono

Dual Mono

Ext.

Compact Four

Four Channel

Five Channel

Miniblock

Monoblock

Power Source

Volts

10.8 - 14.4

10.8 - 14.4

10.8 - 14.4

10.8 - 14.4

10.8 - 14.4

10.8 - 14.4

10.8 - 14.4

10.8 - 14.4

10.8 - 14.4

Number of Channels

2

2

2

2

4

4

5

1

1

Rated Power @ 14.4V

Watts RMS @ 0. 1 %

All Channels Driven

4 Ohm

2 x 30

2 x 50

2 x 100

2 x 200

4 x 30

4 x 50

4 x 40 + 1 x 140

1 x 125

1 x 250

2 Ohm

2 x 60

2 x 100

2 x 200

2 x 400

(2 x 500@1.5Ohm)

4 x 60

4 X 100

4 x 60 + 1 x 200

1 x 250

1 x 500

Bridge 4 Ohm

1 x 120

1 x 200

1 x 400

1 x 800

(1 x 1000@3Ohm)

2 x 120

2 x 200

2 x 150 + 1 x 200

(1Ohm Mono)

1 x 500

(1Ohm Mono)

1 x 1000

Typical Power @ 14.4V

Watts RMS @ 0. 1 %

All Channels Driven

4 Ohm

2 x 55

2 x 95

2 x 150

2 x 325

4 x 55

4 x 95

4 x 55 + 1 x 155

1 x 270

1 x 400

2 Ohm

2 x 85

2 x 145

2 x 250

2 x 475

(2 x 550@1.5Ohm)

4 x 85

4 x 145

4 x 80 + 1 x 260

1 x 440

1 X 750

Bridge 4 Ohm

1 X 170

1 x 290

1 x 500

1 x 1000

(1 x 1100@3Ohm)

2 x 170

2 x 290

2 x 160 + 1 x 260

(1Ohm Mono)

1 x 640

(1Ohm Mono)

1 x 1200

Maximum Current Draw

23 Amps

37 Amps

58 Amps

45 Amps

75 Amps

80 Amps

80 Amps

170 Amps

Signal to Noise Ratio

'A' Wtd

4 Ohm

> 100 dB

> 100 dB

> 100 dB

> 110dB

> 100 dB

> 100 dB

> 100 dB

> 110 dB

> 110 dB

THD + Noise @ Rated Output

0.1%

0.1%

0.1%

0.1%

0.1%

0.1%

0.01%

0.01%

Input Sensitivity

Volts RMS

0.3 - 5

0.3 - 5

0.3 - 5

0.3 - 4

0.3 - 5

0.3 - 5

0.3 - 5

0.3 ~ 5

0.3 ~ 5

Frequency Response

20 Hz - 20 KHz

20 Hz - 20 KHz

20 Hz - 20 KHz

20 Hz - 20 KHz

20 Hz - 20 KHz

20 Hz - 20 KHz

20 Hz - 20 KHz

20 Hz ~ 20 KHz

Dimensions (mm)

H xW x D

62 x 150 x 210

62 x 200 x 210

62 x 300 x 210

62 x 450 x 210

62 x 300 x 210

62 x 360 x 210

62 x 450 x 210

62 x 300 x 210

62 x 450 x 210

Genesis I.C.E. Ltd reserve the right to change specification without notice. Please contact your authorised Dealer to ensure that current

Pioneer Peek To RMS Drop average 50% drop

Genesis Peek to RMS average 35%  to 45% GAIN

 Facts speak for themselves

Your on a loser here Al Sorry m8[]

Case Closed your honour[]

 

 

[irish al]

Doesnt really matter if they go up, down left or right. What matters as you said is the end rms output,

if you spend the money you will get the rms output no matter what type of amp you use.

Its not my fault pioneer quote stupid peak power figures to sell thier stuff.

They pro installing you system obviously hasnt installed too many top notch systems

if his jaw dropped at what you are putting in. Its is good, better than mine as i said but

nothing to get that excited about to be honest.

Just settle petal and keep calm !!

Looking forward to hearing/seeing it when uve finished.

Al

[Iaing]

And why not have a good old fashioned sound off when its finished []

 

Iain []

[craig mac]

No point really

The figures and set ups say it all

Iain pop down to see me Thursday/Friday you can have a wee look and listen mate []

Craig

 

Its all in good fun [A]

[clutdav]

How does the wifies rims look mate? Pictures?

So matey what do you think of the I.C.E away to be fitted? []

Who will have the loudest[8] boot in Scotland []

And the Parrot [] LOL

 

Craig Soon to be even deafer than b4 Mac[6]

 

Howdy my man,

Got Laura's wheels fitted today and I am just uploading some pictures now............

Your ICE install is going to be mental - I look forward to an eardrum bursting passenger ride on Thursday.  The Parrot is a particularly nice touch....

Give me 10mins and I'll post up some pictures of her car.

 

Dave

[clutdav]

Right then here are a couple of pictures of the Mrs' car with the new wheels as requested

And these are the tyres = Yokohama Parada Spec-2 225/40/18's

First impressions on the yoko's are that they are very grippy...........

 

Dave

[craig mac]

Dave

Like the rims [] Spoilt wife

Mine should be here tomorrow me hopes

Car in for install!!! [8][st] coming

You will hear the tunz before the car WOO HOO

 

Craig

[clutdav]

Dave

Like the rims [] Spoilt wife

Mine should be here tomorrow me hopes

Car in for install!!! [8][st] coming

You will hear the tunz before the car WOO HOO

 

Craig

Ta for that big man.  The alloys do suit the car nicely and the Mrs is really chuffed, so much so in fact it is a good time to potentially order the defi's.  []

This is going to be a big week for your scooby.  A monster ICE install and some new shoes.  I'll take my ear defendors to work tomorrow in preparation for the passenger ride.........[]

 

Dave

[Iaing]

Iain pop down to see me Thursday/Friday you can have a wee look and listen mate []

 

Sounds good, I'll give you a shout if Im still here tomorro.

Iain

[craig mac]

PMSL

If its finished, they forgot that the whole car had to be dyno matted too and i mean full floor doors boot the lot

At present, All seats, carpet, trim, centre console, dash, door cards are off!!!!!! Dash out for the Parrot as it is being located at the right hand side of the wheel at the side of the dash window vent.

Dyno matt the whole floor under carpet takes some time LOL also under back seat, boot, etc etc LOL[]

So i might be walking home tonight!!!

Craig

[clutdav]

PMSL

If its finished, they forgot that the whole car had to be dyno matted too and i mean full floor doors boot the lot

At present, All seats, carpet, trim, centre console, dash, door cards are off!!!!!! Dash out for the Parrot as it is being located at the right hand side of the wheel at the side of the dash window vent.

Dyno matt the whole floor under carpet takes some time LOL also under back seat, boot, etc etc LOL[]

So i might be walking home tonight!!!

Craig

You still have a few hours left mate - although it does sound like a big job.  Please take this as notice of my impending passenger ride tomorrow.  Ta

 

Dave