a polite reminder 2

[p1ggm]

if someone expresses an opinoin about for example a bad service at a dealership??? is it slanderous?? i wouldent say so but as this is a subaru backed club then is it not pointless having forums, as i am unhappy with 3 yes THREE dealers in my surrounding area, but if i was to comment my post would be edited or deleted???

I dont think this is fair as people are being ripped off by subaru garages and there customer care in some garages is very very poor.

Rant over

[dougster]

To answer your own question, yes, and it has been edited, as your comment was your opinion and not that of the SIDC or Scottish Scoobies.

The 'slanderous' issue is a very difficult area to moderate as we know people are allowed their opinion.

Some statements do need to be edited.

Your's was pretty direct and I'm sure the company involved would not be too happy with it.

I hope you understand the club's position on this.

Regards

Dougster

[ormiboy]

can people indicate that they have an opinion about a dealer/supplier and offer to share their issue via PM`s, they would only then uncover the name and location of the establishment privately.

or is this still frowned upon?

not that i have any gripes personally but im sure id feel muted if id did and i could not share my experience with the good folks of the SIDC

[phil]

A legal minefield I am afraid.

If anybody has any issues please feel free to PM me or email me

[p1ggm]

<< To answer your own question, yes, and it has been edited, as your comment was your opinion and not that of the SIDC or Scottish Scoobies. >>

am i missing something here...you say its my opinion but still edit?? right so now. let me get this right a subaru dealership can rip me off, take my hard earned cash, LIE to me and treat me like scum once i have payed for the car??? But I cannot express an opinoin??? THIS IS WRONG Do you not have a disclaimer at he start when you register on the forum...or can i put In my opinoin and not the views expressed by SIDC or Scottishscoobies, ???? That ok??

why should they not be named and shamed

this is for subaru owners....like ME, who pay good money for these cars

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[ANDYJDMSTI]

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<< To answer your own question, yes, and it has been edited, as your comment was your opinion and not that of the SIDC or Scottish Scoobies. >>

am i missing something here...you say its my opinion but still edit?? right so now. let me get this right a subaru dealership can rip me off, take my hard earned cash, LIE to me and treat me like scum once i have payed for the car??? But I cannot express an opinoin??? THIS IS WRONG Do you not have a disclaimer at he start when you register on the forum...or can i put In my opinoin and not the views expressed by SIDC or Scottishscoobies, That ok??

why should they not be named and shamed

this is for subaru owners....like ME, who pay good money for these cars >>

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Fair enough point IMHO!!!!!

[dougster]

As Phil says, it is a legal minefield.

Yes it is your opinion, but when you use SIDC or Scottish Scoobies to express it in the way you do, it is the club that could be subject to legal proceedings and not you.

[p1ggm]

i said it was my opinoin....and you have a disclamer dont you...come on, i studied law on my media course, i know that cause its MY OPINOIN sidc cannot be held responsible

[phil]

If thats your view

Then please type it on your headed paper with your address on it and send it to them

[johnnyr6]

I think you should be able to name and shame then others can decide wether or not they would be happy taking their car to said dealers. Maybe someone else would have another opinion about the same dealer as we all hear good and bad stories about most garages. You never know if the dealers get less buisiness maybe they would improve their customers services. ( doubt it but you never know)

[p1ggm]

I have....they emailed me back saying..

If you would like to pay for the order(stuff i was promised when i handed over 25 F()kin K) then we will be happy to send you the items....

and what about the first "free" service....hahahahaa, what a p!ss take

and when the engine management light comes on?? then goes off, "sorry sir, the car does not store the fault code"

why do these people just insult me with this???? I WORK IN A GARAGE

[p1ggm]

Subaru roughly translated means = Take money and run, and iff possible Sh!t on the owners

IN MY OPINOIN

[dougster]

This has always been very very difficult as, yes, we would alll like to know who to trust and who to steer clear from.

But any user just cannot come on and post this "company" has ripped me off and are theiving scum etc (hypothetical and for reference only), without hard facts to substatiate your claims.

You may certainly have a grievance with them but it never goes down well on the forums.

Trust me and ask any other administrators or moderators from other car related bbs.

[p1ggm]

and my posts, which are MY veiws are still being edited...is it fair to say subaru pay you to run the site???

or are you getting kick backs from

TOWN AND COUNTY

you shouldent edit this cause it is not slanderous

[p1ggm]

I didnt say thieving scum...thats YOUR view

[phil]

We receive no "Kick Backs" from anyone

And the inferance is insulting

[derek_robertson]

<< As Phil says, it is a legal minefield. Yes it is your opinion, but when you use SIDC or Scottish Scoobies to express it in the way you do, it is the club that could be subject to legal proceedings and not you. >>

What about the disclaimer at the bottom of the page then?

"the views represented on these forums are those of the author alone and do not necesarily reflect those of this club"

Does that not cover the issue?

Just my opinion

Del

[phil]

Within reason

However as a resonponsible club we should not allow libellous posts to be made

[p1ggm]

<< We receive no "Kick Backs" from anyone

And the inferance is insulting >>

well why are sidc and scottishscoob members not allowed to express a view??

what is the problem???

i really dont understand, why??

i am not offending any one person directly? i am putting my views across of a garage that has NO level of customer care towards me and other people i know???? is it cause i am 26 and payed the car in one go???what?? do they only like you if you take 5 years to pay it off so they make more money from selling finance???

These are supposed to be PUBLIforums for sidc members....not forums that work for admin and mods???? we are the members should you not listen to us??? I have paid for membership after all

[p1ggm]

and also why hasnt dougsters post saying "thieving scum" been edited...i did not say that so he has take ME out of context and offended me

[dougster]

I was using the term as a hypothetical point of reference as similar terms have been used before.

"do not necessarily reflect those of this club". Give that to a good lawyer and he'll still try and sue the **** out of YOUR club!!!

I am fully aware that you may feel frustrated and am sure many of us have been in similar positions.

We are not trying to suppress your point but merely have the clubs best intentions to look out for.

When I moderated on SNet, we had threads like this nearly close the bbs!!!!!

[phil]

The SIDC Position is Clear

However If you wish to have a reasoned debate I will email any Garage/supplier and invite them to an online discussion where both parties can have their say.

In the mean time please refrain from making any further potentially libellous statements

[p1ggm]

WHAT???

they are not the views expressed by the club??? and they can still sue....if i was you i would get a new solicitor if thats what they tell you

yes the annoyed me....but i think members should be aware of what they are dealing with

[p1ggm]

Right fine then...why not get the owner of town and county to my front door??????

this is not libelous....

whats the point in having a club...you being admin...dougster being a mod...and you dont listen to members or close them down when they make a point???

and i think it is a good point.

[p1ggm]

i will gladly speak to him, as the general manager just panned me off with nonsense